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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Wrong.

    They can be charged outdoors. My neighbor does it every night.
     
  2. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Have you ever driven around a large city at night and noticed how many cars are parked on the street?
    How do you propose how all those people living in apartments charge their cars. Should they run an extension cord from their apartment to wherever their car is parked?
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It wouldn't be feasible to own one of them where I live, unless you found a garage with a charging station. An indoor garage spot around here, without the charging station runs $350 to $450 a month, depending on where. I am not sure there are any garages around here with charging stations, but I can't imagine how much they'd charge for a monthly spot, if they do exist.

    That said, where I live isn't typical of most of the country. And if electric cars somehow become a cost-efficient alternative, and they penetrate the market, charging stations will follow the demand for the cars. Just like gas stations found their way into the world to follow the demand for gasoline-powered cars.
     
  4. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Invention is the mother of necessity.
     
  5. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    You guys have really got me fired up to maybe get a Volt .... my wife is dropping $250 a month on gas driving a V8 2004 explorer to work, and her commute is 30 miles a day roundtrip. If I can lease one for virtually the same cost, using the Explorer for family trips, I'm pretty excited.
     
  6. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    And we're all happy to help you lease that Volt with a $7500 tax credit.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It might be a really good deal if you can find one of those leases, but if I was thinking about getting one, I would probably do it before November, when the urgency behind those giveaway leases might suddenly disappear.
     
  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Also will be a good deal for the dealer who likely will get to keep most of the $7500 tax credit on a lease.

    In theory the leasee needs to get the dealer to use most of the $7500 tax credit as a cap cost reduction
    which will drive down monthly cost of lease.
     
  9. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    When I see you shed tears over Ann Romney writing off her dressage horse, I'll be concerned ...
     
  10. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    As I was told today, yes, the dealer keeps the credit on a lease.

    Still is a good deal for me - $250 a month in gas into my high-miles gas guzzler, or $250 a month to let my wife drive a new car with all the fancy gadgets ...
     
  11. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what you're failing to see here.

    My wife drives from home to work to the babysitter and back home again. It's 30.1 miles - well within the electric range. She's home by 6, out the door for work at 8.

    I know you really, really, really want the Volt to fail for political reasons, but - as it turns out - there is a segment of the population for whom it makes a lot of sense.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The dealers are out $37K for each car at dealer cost, right? The only way they end up making out is if they get those cars back after the two year lease and they can turn around and sell them. Given that they can't sell them now, why are they going to be able to sell used versions of them, even if they are low-mileage vehicles, when they will still be overpriced vehicles--the reason nobody is buying them now? If they could turn around and sell them, as that Forbes link you posted points out, they will see that $7500 subsidy, make $5,000 on the lease and an unknown incentive (maybe $3,000) from GM. If they can then sell the used two-year old Volts for $34,000 as the article suggested they will, yeah, the dealers will see $12,500 profit, in large part courtesy of U.S. taxpayers. My question, though, is why would anyone think that a two-year old Volt with 20,000 miles on it is going to fetch $34K, when a brand new one can't fetch the $39K price tag they have on it?
     
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