Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Again: The costs to you aren't the only costs, be it operating or initial.

 

What's wrong with petroleum? Oh, that's right. You're one of those people who believe that human activity, specifically the United States, are heating up the world with "an excess" of CO2 emissions.

As stated before, we'd have plenty of our own oil if it wasn't for idiots getting in the way of finding it and bringing it to market. But our president is perfectly happy with paying the Brazilians to exploit their own resources. Energy resources = national power and the less energy resources you have, the weaker your nation and economy.

It's either/or with you. It's either accept the onerous regulatory burden you and your ilk demand we bear, hitting everyone in their pocketbooks, or the air is rottenly dirty.

Brilliance. Typical environmental claptrap. Green outside/red inside.

The free market will bear "green" energy when it's equivalent in price to fossil fuels. But if we let you types take charge, we'll all pay through the nose for energy, live with lots of brownouts and blackouts and have cars with the range of a three-legged horse because you think you can point a regulatory gun to everyone's heads and make everyone pay for your pipe dreams that are not workable solutions. That'll lead to a shrunken economy as vital capital chases unicorns, rainbows and purple horseshoes of pie-in-the-sky thanks to an tyrannical, onerous government designed to reward those who have the correct, enviro-friendly virtues and punish those who don't.

As stated before, if you want to buy a Volt, go for it. Ditto with the a Prius or any of these other hybrids or electrics. That's your choice. But what I don't approve of is giving these companies tax dollars to finance the development of these moving chicanes. It's taking capital forcibly and putting it into a pet project that was likely greased with plenty of campaign contributions (see Obama's green-energy bundlers), regardless of its market viability or need.

 

http://autos.yahoo.com/nissan/leaf/2012/sv/cost.html;_ylt=Al8TmXXW7xbIaYjlA5p5IRaRhOd_;_ylv=3?zip=&drive-mile=20&drive-year=A#yat-tco-summary - $39.400

http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/fit/2013/5-spd-mt/cost.html;_ylt=Al8TmXXW7xbIaYjlA5p5IRb2rPZ_;_ylv=3?zip=&drive-mile=20&drive-year=A#yat-tco-summary

http://autos.yahoo.com/chevrolet/volt/2012/base/cost.html;_ylt=Al8TmXXW7xbIaYjlA5p5IRa._t1_;_ylv=3?zip=&drive-mile=20&drive-year=A#yat-tco-summary

http://autos.yahoo.com/chevrolet/impala/2013/lt/cost.html;_ylt=Al8TmXXW7xbIaYjlA5p5IRbh7vF_;_ylv=3?zip=23116&drive-mile=20&drive-year=A#yat-tco-summary

 

Americans shouldn't have to pay to subsidize oil companies, either. Fair is fair.

 

Yeah. You're still not following what I'm saying.

 

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I really haven't been following this thread, but I couldn't let that go. Really guy, global warming does have some effect on the environment. If you can't at least realize that the polar ice caps are melting and that's no bueno, you should probably do a bit more reading.

Fossil fuels will eventually run out. This is a fact. We should probably try something else to stall that.

 

I strongly doubt mankind has anything, at all, to do with "global warming." The sun has more effect on that. When you consider how long we've had industrialization, in geological time, that's not even a millisecond. I strongly doubt we'd have that kind of impact and if we did, it's not like these draconian cuts that would cost trillions of capital and make our lives miserable would do a damned thing about anyhow. It's just another made-up crisis, just like in the 70s when global cooling was all the rage and scientists thought we were on the verge of a new ice age. The Earth isn't fragile. And it's a theory. A theory with a lot of political irons in the fire, which automatically makes me suspicious.

Eventually... We have hundreds of years of reserves and more is being found all of the time. When the time comes, the market will demand a solution and we'll have a real one. Solar panels and wind ain't gonna be it.

There's nothing wrong with saving gas, but at the cost these cars demand, the costs outweigh the benefits. They're too expensive, too unproven, don't last long enough and are slower than Christmas weighed down with New Years and Mardi Gras on the sleigh.

 

The conundrum is that 40 % of our CO 2 emissions come from coal burning power plants.
Does the move to electric cars put even a bigger demand on the electrical grid?

 

Then say it.

How is an electric car more expensive? It is not more expensive to the direct owner. And unless you can show your work, I am not going to buy that producing electric is more expensive than importing oil. And, yes, I do think these massive freaking hurricanes we are having slam into us on a pretty consistent basis is due to the rise in the temperature of the oceans. - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/

 

For all of the climate change deniers, can someone explain why climates in cities across the planet have changed? Just look at Phoenix and the rise of temperatures, which change storm patterns.

 

The direct owner's costs are being heavily subsidized by government financing of R&D and even production.

 

You're talking about Toyota, right?

www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/04/chryslers_jim_p_1.html