Chick-fil-A PR goes Rogue

fossywriter8 · Jul 27, 2012

Full disclosure: fossywriter8 loves bacon and sausage patties.

Hokie_pokie · Dec 15, 2014

Baron Scicluna said:

hondo said:

jaydaum said:

Matt1735 said:

Ask Sally Ride's "partner" of 27 years... yes, 27 years... more than 40 percent of her life ... who will not get Social Security benefits or a break on inheritance/estate taxes ... or who wouldn't have had hospital visitation rights if just one person raised any kind of stink... Ask about the "rights" that go with marriage.

Most gay people don't want a church wedding... they don't want anything to do with church... they want the financial/legal benefits that the government has given to people who are married. That's not too much to ask!
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I understand that for most LGBTs this isn't about a church wedding, it's about financial/legal benefits.
We have laws about marriage. If enough people vote they can be changed to reflect what our society wants.
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imjustagirl said:

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This is an example of how you cannot take parts of the Bible literally. There are laws in Leviticus that allow slavery, allow you to sell your daughter, have multiple wives and have the death penalty for not following the Sabbath. Those laws, and those that forbid homosexuality, were based on the best sociological thought and mores of that time. We've evolved.

That said, if a guy wants to close his chain's stores on Sunday and if he doesn't believe in the homosexual lifestyle or gay marriage, that's his business. If I like his food, I'm eating there and I don't have to apologize to anyone for it.
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Problem is, there are plenty of people who haven't evolved. And then they cherry-pick which principles they want to follow.
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Yep, and it's not your right to judge them any more than it's their right to judge you.

Seriously, this is some silly shit we're talking about here.

Next somebody's gonna try to convince me to boycott a Tom Cruise movie because he's a Scientologist and not because his movies simply suck.

Amy · Jul 27, 2012

hondo said:

crimsonace said:

Tom Petty said:

your god should forgive you because you know not what you speak:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a-president-anti-gay_n_1680984.html
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Instead of running it through the filter of one of a left-leaning publication that was among the ones who twisted the words, I prefer to read the actual original story itself. And again, doesn't mention gays at all.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271

CFA does support the Family Research Council and other pro-family groups. But to say these are groups whose mission is 100% devoted to opposing gay marriage is absurd (although that's the public perception). But they do support an ideal of human relationships that involve a married male/female, both of whom have saved themselves for marriage, who remain married until one spouse passes away, and who conceive and raise children. That's pretty clearly spelled out in the New Testament (rather than focusing like a narrow beam on Leviticus to discredit the Bible as a source). There is voluminous research that supports that construction of the family as being the most healthy long-term both for the individuals and their children.

That ideal is one worth supporting, and certainly to assist others in strengthening their marriages.

However, one can support that form of marriage and acknowledge that a large part of society has strayed from that ideal -- rates of divorce and children born out of wedlock are high, people commit adultery, et al. These "pro-family" organizations do not "hate" those who have strayed from the ideal, but work to bring them back to the ideal as spelled out in the Bible.

It's hard to believe, but the evangelical church is not obsessed with homosexuality. I've heard one sermon in the last 30 years that even broached the issue -- and it was by a pastor with a gay family member who very clearly spelled out the typical evangelical position on the issue -- a consecrated gay relationship is sin just as much as an out-of-wedlock relationship is sinful, but it is not our job to judge the person, but to understand that sin is wrong, we all commit it, and we all need to love all people and seek God's forgiveness for the sins we all commit.

It is the left that has forced the evangelical movement (and the Catholic Church, as well) to be put on defense, and the assertion that if we do not 100% fully accept and enthusiastically support this new version of morality, we deserve to be silenced and taken completely out of the public sphere, even to the point of losing our jobs and our businesses.

I'm still waiting for the outrage against Muslim-owned businesses because their views on homosexuality and the role of women in society make even the most fanatical evangelicals look extremely permissive.
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I guess we're still waiting for someone to comment on that last, most excellent point. Can you libs justify a boycott of Chick-Fil-A vs. not boycotting businesses owned by people who are not only against gay marriage but condone the death penalty in their native countries for homosexuality?
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My reason for boycotting a business goes beyond it just being owned by someone whose fundamentalist beliefs (be they Christian, Jewish, or Moslem). I'm sure I do business with lots of people who I disagree with on religious and political issues. Hell, I know I have friends I disagree with on these issues.

However, when I know that the owner of a business financially supports causes with which I disagree I do not want my money to be indirectly supporting those causes. In that circumstance I will choose to take my business elsewhere. Just like the person who posted here who doesn't buy Ben & Jerry's ice cream because of their use of business profits to support liberal causes.

Tom Petty · Jul 27, 2012

crimsonace said:

Tom Petty said:

your god should forgive you because you know not what you speak:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a-president-anti-gay_n_1680984.html
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Instead of running it through the filter of one of a left-leaning publication that was among the ones who twisted the words, I prefer to read the actual original story itself. And again, doesn't mention gays at all.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271

CFA does support the Family Research Council and other pro-family groups. But to say these are groups whose mission is 100% devoted to opposing gay marriage is absurd (although that's the public perception). But they do support an ideal of human relationships that involve a married male/female, both of whom have saved themselves for marriage, who remain married until one spouse passes away, and who conceive and raise children. That's pretty clearly spelled out in the New Testament (rather than focusing like a narrow beam on Leviticus to discredit the Bible as a source). There is voluminous research that supports that construction of the family as being the most healthy long-term both for the individuals and their children.

That ideal is one worth supporting, and certainly to assist others in strengthening their marriages.

However, one can support that form of marriage and acknowledge that a large part of society has strayed from that ideal -- rates of divorce and children born out of wedlock are high, people commit adultery, et al. These "pro-family" organizations do not "hate" those who have strayed from the ideal, but work to bring them back to the ideal as spelled out in the Bible.

It's hard to believe, but the evangelical church is not obsessed with homosexuality. I've heard one sermon in the last 30 years that even broached the issue -- and it was by a pastor with a gay family member who very clearly spelled out the typical evangelical position on the issue -- a consecrated gay relationship is sin just as much as an out-of-wedlock relationship is sinful, but it is not our job to judge the person, but to understand that sin is wrong, we all commit it, and we all need to love all people and seek God's forgiveness for the sins we all commit.

It is the left that has forced the evangelical movement (and the Catholic Church, as well) to be put on defense, and the assertion that if we do not 100% fully accept and enthusiastically support this new version of morality, we deserve to be silenced and taken completely out of the public sphere, even to the point of losing our jobs and our businesses.

I'm still waiting for the outrage against Muslim-owned businesses because their views on homosexuality and the role of women in society make even the most fanatical evangelicals look extremely permissive.
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direct quotes aren't filtered, champ.

jaydaum · Jul 27, 2012

Tom Petty is back!
Glad you knew you didn't have to live like a refugee from this thread...

Baron Scicluna · Dec 15, 2014

Hokie_pokie said:

Baron Scicluna said:

hondo said:

jaydaum said:

Matt1735 said:

Ask Sally Ride's "partner" of 27 years... yes, 27 years... more than 40 percent of her life ... who will not get Social Security benefits or a break on inheritance/estate taxes ... or who wouldn't have had hospital visitation rights if just one person raised any kind of stink... Ask about the "rights" that go with marriage.

Most gay people don't want a church wedding... they don't want anything to do with church... they want the financial/legal benefits that the government has given to people who are married. That's not too much to ask!
Click to expand...

I understand that for most LGBTs this isn't about a church wedding, it's about financial/legal benefits.
We have laws about marriage. If enough people vote they can be changed to reflect what our society wants.
Click to expand...

imjustagirl said:

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This is an example of how you cannot take parts of the Bible literally. There are laws in Leviticus that allow slavery, allow you to sell your daughter, have multiple wives and have the death penalty for not following the Sabbath. Those laws, and those that forbid homosexuality, were based on the best sociological thought and mores of that time. We've evolved.

That said, if a guy wants to close his chain's stores on Sunday and if he doesn't believe in the homosexual lifestyle or gay marriage, that's his business. If I like his food, I'm eating there and I don't have to apologize to anyone for it.
Click to expand...

Problem is, there are plenty of people who haven't evolved. And then they cherry-pick which principles they want to follow.
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Yep, and it's not your right to judge them any more than it's their right to judge you.
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Except they're judging gays by imposing their own values on them.

nmmetsfan · Jul 27, 2012

Not to chime in out of the blue, but I missed the correlation between expressing one's views and imposing values on others.

nmmetsfan · Jul 27, 2012

Azrael said:

Which nationally successful chain of Muslim-owned restaurants donating large sums of money to American anti-gay marriage initiatives do you suggest we start with?
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Ever buy gasoline?

Steak Snabler · Dec 15, 2014

Azrael · Jul 27, 2012

nmmetsfan said:

Azrael said:

Which nationally successful chain of Muslim-owned restaurants donating large sums of money to American anti-gay marriage initiatives do you suggest we start with?
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Ever buy gasoline?
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No idea what that means.

Hokie_pokie · Dec 15, 2014

Baron Scicluna said:

Hokie_pokie said:

Baron Scicluna said:

hondo said:

jaydaum said:

Matt1735 said:

Ask Sally Ride's "partner" of 27 years... yes, 27 years... more than 40 percent of her life ... who will not get Social Security benefits or a break on inheritance/estate taxes ... or who wouldn't have had hospital visitation rights if just one person raised any kind of stink... Ask about the "rights" that go with marriage.

Most gay people don't want a church wedding... they don't want anything to do with church... they want the financial/legal benefits that the government has given to people who are married. That's not too much to ask!
Click to expand...

I understand that for most LGBTs this isn't about a church wedding, it's about financial/legal benefits.
We have laws about marriage. If enough people vote they can be changed to reflect what our society wants.
Click to expand...

imjustagirl said:

Click to expand...

This is an example of how you cannot take parts of the Bible literally. There are laws in Leviticus that allow slavery, allow you to sell your daughter, have multiple wives and have the death penalty for not following the Sabbath. Those laws, and those that forbid homosexuality, were based on the best sociological thought and mores of that time. We've evolved.

That said, if a guy wants to close his chain's stores on Sunday and if he doesn't believe in the homosexual lifestyle or gay marriage, that's his business. If I like his food, I'm eating there and I don't have to apologize to anyone for it.
Click to expand...

Problem is, there are plenty of people who haven't evolved. And then they cherry-pick which principles they want to follow.
Click to expand...

Yep, and it's not your right to judge them any more than it's their right to judge you.
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Except they're judging gays by imposing their own values on them.
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C'mon Baron. Until Dan Cathy starts denying gays the right to order a deep-fried chicken sandwich on a bun with two pickles, that dog won't hunt.

nmmetsfan · Jul 27, 2012

Azrael said:

nmmetsfan said:

Azrael said:

Which nationally successful chain of Muslim-owned restaurants donating large sums of money to American anti-gay marriage initiatives do you suggest we start with?
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Ever buy gasoline?
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No idea what that means.
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Why limit it to restaurants?

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