Chick-fil-A PR goes Rogue

You can have rights that aren't inalienable. Marriage isn't an inalienable right, but is a legal right.

With legal rights, you have standards to apply, such as what types of discrimination are legitimate and what aren't. To say LGBTs are allowed same rights as heterosexuals is flat out ignorant.

 

And your point is...

 

That probably came across as rude. Sorry.
Where are you heading with that is what I meant.

 

i have black friends who think gays not being able to legally marry is bullshit.
so, by your standards, i guess that makes us 1-1.

 

I stared my point in that whether marriage is a right depends on whether discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation passes Constitutional muster, or any associated challenge to the belief states can discriminate according to sexual orientation.

It comes down to your interpretation of the 14th Amendment. What purpose does the prevalent definition of marriage serve when close to half of children born in the U.S. are born out of wedlock?

 

I love your music Mr. Petty but your skills in argumentation leave much to be desired.
You're keeping the wrong score.
We aren't trying to tally black people who are for/against gay marriage.
We are trying to determine if it is a civil rights issue like not letting blacks into a college.

I do appreciate how you won't. back. down...

 

Gotcha. It is a really interesting point with a lot of angles to it. Including state v. federal rights.
The US government basically told Utah they had to have certain laws regarding marriage, i.e. no polygamy.
Could the Federal government just say across the board that same sex marriage was legal? Would an appeal to the
Supreme Court be a better tactic then battling this out state by state?

 

You're the one who bottom lined it as a disservice, my friend. I was rolling with your bottom line.

And all BS aside, tho, I guess it really comes down to if you believe if gay folks are born gay or not. Because if you do believe they are born gay, they deserve every right that heteros are granted ... marriage included.

 

I guess my bottom line is that the marriage issue aside, gay people have not endured anything on the level of what black people
have in this country related to rights.

I completely agree that the critical issue is whether people are born gay because typically minority status is rooted in biology-
gender, skin color, ethnicity. Interestingly, in the 80's-90's there was a lot of research devoted to finding the "gay gene" but
I don't hear much about that anymore. Many gay people are very opposed to the debate going in that direction. They fear
that "gayness" will become a genetically diagnosable "problem" for the local geneticist to "fix."

EDIT: Some resent the genetic approach because they feel it is a form of determinism, like they can't "help it."
They are perfectly fine with saying that they chose to live and love in certain ways.

 

Even as a heterosexual, I'm not sure I would say I had a "right" to get married.
I have a right to live with whoever will put up with me and nobody is stopping me.
We decided to get a marriage license basically for financial/personal reasons.
Plenty of people live together without wanting/needing the state to sanction it.

 

I just find it hilarious that so many people are complaining that somehow Dan Cathy's right to free speech is being infringed. No. 1, no one's interfered with his right to say whatever he wants. It's just that speech has consequences. No. 2, this is all an outcropping of an interview with a magazine of the Southern Baptist Church, the self-same organization that encouraged its members to boycott Disney for EIGHT YEARS because of its stance on the same issue.

 

so, if you're born gay, there's a litmus test that you must pass to be given a civil right? come on, man. don't turn a civil-rights matter into a scorecard.

also, i understand it's not you "saying" it, but i take offense that some people want to "fix" gay folks. nobody wants to fix me because i want to end the night sleeping with a woman.