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Class warfare summed up in a simple joke (with an accompanying cartoon)

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Double J, Feb 28, 2011.

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  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    To be fair, you have to ask how many jobs Walmart has cost this country.

    For every new efficiency in their supply chain, they've squeezed their suppliers to save every penny possible. That's contributed to the loss of tens of thousands of US jobs at places like Kraft and P & G in the name of slimmer margins.

    How many of those workers then wound up on state aid? Or taking TANF? Or living in Section 8 housing? Or simply working at Walmart and using state aid to make ends meet?

    Like those government tax givebacks and incentives, for every efficiency there's a hidden cost to the consumer.
     
  2. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    This is just bizarre to me. People also choose to watch sports and read books and play with their kids and work out, all sorts of leisure activities that 'detract' from their ability to study the issues facing Wal-mart and Whole Foods, and Target accepting donations from Republicans, or the other way around.

    And you know what, I watch American Idol, and the Real Housewives, and i also have a pretty good grip on what's going on in my country, and a few others. But when I need some bananas, I'm going to run out and get the fucking bananas wherever it's easy and convenient.
     
  3. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Must be folks who can't multi task. Most people I know would be able to channel surf socially responsible retailers
    as they watch Biggest Loser.
     
  4. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Amazon might be worse than Walmart. How many jobs have they cost the country both in the private and public sector. Pubic sector as a result of lower tax revenues that were lost to Amazon non taxable sale.

    Az I trust a socially conscious person like yourself does not support Amazon.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    First, A&P didn't go bankrupt because of labor costs. It went bankrupt because it was operating with a 1975 model of the grocery industry.

    Second, you don't just "unionize" and get paid better. It's not some magical cloak that makes workers more skilled or gives them wage negotiating leverage. Trying to collectively bargain doesn't suddenly make you more skilled or your jobs more valuable. You realize that?

    There already is a supermarket union. Go down the regional chains and most of the national chains and their workers are represented by the United Food and Commercial Workers. Shop Rite, Shop & Stop and Foodtown have a unionized workforce. As does Kroger and Safeway. The UFCW can collect dues from them, and a few union leaders live large off of those workers, and in turn they can pay off politicians for government protection. But the fact that they are "unionized" doesn't make a grocery checker a more valued job. It's government protection that gives unions any power. It is organizing not for negotiating leverage. It is organizing to collectively buy off politicians. Of course that kind of corruption anchors the economy as much as corporations buying off politicians does. It's a shame that people don't get it.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    I live in one of the five states that assesses a sales tax on Amazon transactions, so I feel like I'm doing my fair share on the rare occasion I order from them. Like you, I spread my spending around to other vendors, especially little local one-offs. In my case, the Strand.

    And while I agree that there needs to be a tax protocol for internet purchases in order that states not lose that revenue, I would suggest that virtual retailer Amazon does a great deal less physical damage than bricks-and-mortar Walmart. Amazon's physical footprint in the world is tiny. Walmart's is gigantic.

    Another hidden Walmart cost to consumers - in addition to the revenue lost to local tax incentives, and to state tax never paid - is the remediation cost of all the land on which these big boxes have been built over the last 50 years. Especially the ones now left empty.
     
  7. waterytart

    waterytart Active Member

    Boom has to be short Amazon and talking his book.
     
  8. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Nah, it's because he's a good conservative wanting to point out the hypocrisy of the liberals. That's the same reason he doesn't watch the NFL, because he doesn't want to support the most successful example of socialism in history.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Socialism is an economic system in which the state controls the means of production.

    Please explain how the NFL is "the most successful example of socialism in history."
     
  10. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    You know. Wealth redistribution and all that.

    Oh, wait, I forgot I'm dealing with someone who actually knows what socialism is and isn't just spewing a talking point. Apologies.
     
  11. YGBFKM

    YGBFKM Guest

    These last few pages have been my favorite ever at sj. Just awesome.
     
  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, I was sloppy with the usage. Would collectivism work better? It certainly isn't a shining example of capitalism.
     
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