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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Might actually be more pertinent in the red vs. blue era. Especially with Illinois' river boundaries with Missouri, Iowa and Kentucky.

    A Planned Parenthood on every oxbow! Damn straight!


    Otherwise, like-minded states could be more amenable to swaps,but Congress would have to approve all of it.
     
  2. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Wait, we are having the same conversation (Mississippi River) in two threads. I just posted in American History about state lines and the shifting river, then come here and we are talking about state lines and the shifting river.
    I'm so confused.
    I need coffee.
     
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  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    What I think I meant by "Better? Worse? The same?" upthread is whether or not the cost over the years - going back a couple centuries - to direct, redirect, dredge, prevent flooding, etc., is worth the entire price we pay for it.

    In terms not only of the impact on residents, but farmland and keeping the lower Mississippi navigable, and to the creation and redistribution of topsoils across the Delta, and the plume of fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides we sluice into the Gulf. What is the cost of all this, not only in dollars, but to the environment?

    There's a whole literature on this, of course, but maybe Mark Twain is still the authority:

    "One who knows the Mississippi will promptly aver, not aloud but to himself, that ten thousand River Commissions, with all the mines of the world at their back, cannot tame that lawless stream, cannot curb it or confine it, cannot say to it, Go here, or Go there, and make it obey; cannot save a shore that it has sentenced; cannot bar its path with an obstruction which it cannot tear down, dance over, and laugh at."

    https://www.usace.army.mil/Media/Ne...mark-twain-said-about-the-corps-of-engineers/
     
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  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  6. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    We tried the no-Federal-government Articles of Confederation for a bit. The Founding Fathers figured out that it was unwieldy basically before the ink was dry.
     
  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    The Washington Post had two reporters there “covering” the protest.

    Rarely has a such act been so assiduously rationalized in a news article.

    “This is purely performative protest. It’s disruption as shock,” Fisher said. “Nobody’s going to like these guys for throwing paint at ‘Little Dancer’ … but that’s okay. That’s not their point. If the goal here is to get general attention and to shift the conversation to focus more on climate change, there’s a lot of evidence that this is more effective.”
     
  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  9. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    A small bale of alfalfa is a good 90-100 pounds, and it takes a ton of water to grow it.
     
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  10. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    My uncle and grandfather grew alfalfa and I bucked many bales on my summer "vacations."

    Lots and lots of water. So much that I wondered 30-40 years ago where it was all coming from. Can't imagine it now after 20-plus years of drought, even after this season's massive snow.
     
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  11. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

  12. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Depends on the size and freshness of the bale. A Coastal Bermuda 2-string square bale is about 50 pounds on average but there is variance.
     
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