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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Just look at all the people with thatched roofs. Clearly changing what we put on top of buildings is an impossible task.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    It would be less than ideal.

    Solar towers - improving tech there - may work, but it's like putting up a bunch of eyes of sauron. And you still need a ton of room.
     
  4. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    The road to humanity's survival is paved with inconvenience.
     
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  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Those solar shingles are only about 4 times the cost of a regular roof, and the payback period is only 16 or 17 years.
     
  6. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    So a solar roof for my house would have cost $104,000 (4 x $26,000).

    At my $80 average electric bill, payback period would be . . . 81 years. :)


    EDIT: (Actually, online search estimated the cost would be about $42,000. Could be a decent deal with incentives lowering the price).
     
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  7. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Saving the planet and humanity only works when it doesn’t harm business.
     
  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    We started down the road to where we are now in what, 1800? 1780?

    The changes we are seeing now did not happen overnight, and many people worked very hard to get us here. They won't be fixed overnight either.

    If we ever get serious about not turning this planet into Mars, the first few years will be filled with baby steps and miscues. Over time new approaches and improvements will improve the response.

    We won't do much as start to mitigate climate change anytime soon, but if the other choice is "Fuckit, we're gonna keep doing what we have been. Somebody will figure it out." then it will only continue to accelerate.

    Baby steps, but we better start walking soon.
     
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  9. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    It started around the Industrial Revolution when we really ramped up factories and burning coal on large scales. Then power plants and cars and we took it to 11.

    And Venus would be the more apt comparison. Hyper greenhouse effect and a toxic atmosphere.

    But at least Yakutsk would have better weather…
     
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  10. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Imagine if we bitched and moaned over all changes that required monetary investments like we do over investing in climate friendly changes. Elevator operators would still be a thing. Have to connect to the operator to make a phone call. Nothing would have AC. Yeah it costs something to make changes. Yeah we have to change how we do things. We did it before and figured it out.
     
  11. ChrisLong

    ChrisLong Well-Known Member

    I spent between $60,000 and $70,000 to completely landscape my front and back yards in 2016 because the one climate condition I truly recognized was the drought. I felt I had to get rid of all the grass -- it was crappy grass anyway -- and a few trees that sucked up water. Now, we are no longer in drought conditions or have restrictions. I don't consider it wasted money, because I like all the changes we made. We have all drought-resistant plants, a covered patio, paver instead of a severely cracked slab, and a built-in BBQ.
     
  12. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Those changes weren't really made on the same kinds of grounds tho.

    We're going to switch out an existing system of travel and energy production for something more time-consuming, more costly, less reliable and, yes, less convenient. Your short-term life is probably not going to get better in the green revolution, but we're enacting these rules in the name of climate change because, if we don't, (insert consequence here).

    Now, to make the first sentence even worth attempting, the consequence of the second sentence has to be pretty significant. And science says it is.

    It's kind of like with Christianity. To really be one, you'd have to believe Jesus rose from the dead because, otherwise, what's the point of following a meglomaniac who claimed to be the son of God? Jesus asks for radial, inconvenient life changes of His followers, and, to the extent followers change anything at all, it's usually because they believe Jesus did an extraordinary thing.
     
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