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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    Well, that comparison is a bit wobbly because one thing (climate change) can be numerically measured and the other (Jesus rising from the dead) cannot.

    And I’m saying this as someone who believes in Jesus Christ rising from the dead, but can I mathematically or scientifically prove it? No.

    It’s like my father-in-law kidding me about Catholic Mass, where “the magic happens” and bread and wine become Christ’s flesh and blood. As a retired chemist, he would like pH test strips for the wine or a microscopic analysis of the communion hosts to prove something happened.
     
  2. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Ninth and 10th tornadoes of the year today in New Jersey, which usually gets two.
     
  3. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Those aren't good comparisons.
     
  4. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Boy I really need to spell it out for you.

    Ok.

    I. Am. Making. An. Absurd. Comparison. To. Point. Out. Your. Absurd. Side.

    My point is for the convenience, those things cost money to renovate. The way you and others complain, the cost of those things would have been too burdensome.

    Also, Jesus? He was a socialist who commanded we do what was right for the least of us even if it meant we give most of ourselves. Wonder what side of the climate debate he’d be on. But I’ll continue this non sequitur (for the learning impaired that means the reason you gave for your argument doesn't actually prove your point.) by wondering if Bell knew how much he’d ask people to change when he introduced the telephone.
     
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  5. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Because they were things that made doing business more convenient and therefore worth the cost? My point wasn’t to compare them it was to point out the absurdity of cost arguments.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Why is this tractor so much more expensive than a plow horse?
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    So let's state the obvious. The productivity boost that a tractor gave people over a plow horse actually made it cheaper to own a tractor. You dould do your work a fraction of the time, allowing you to have X more fields to grow stuff or to use the freed-up time to take on another income-producing endeavor. Tractors increased people's standards of living.

    People willingly bought tractors and got rid of plow horses -- they made the choice for themselves -- because the decision brought them a ton of utility. Their lives were easier and better for it.

    None of that has anything to do with a convseration about solar shingles.
     
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  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member



    isht just got real
     
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  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    People might willingly choose solar shingles on exactly the same basis. That it creates for them utility and efficiency
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    People aren't. Even with our government currently coercing people not involved in the decision and purchase to bear part of the cost.

    If there is a reason why it makes sense for most people, I personally am not seeing it. The only reason to buy and install those things that I can see is a belief that there is some environmental benefit that nobody can really quantify with any degree of precision, which will benefit the world in the future. That belief certainly does bring utility to some people (for example, around 1 percent of Americans drive electric vehicles currently, despite being able to have bought something comparable with an internal combustion engine for less money). But those people are a small fringe. And even if there are others who would really like to buy them, all things being equal, economically there are way more people struggling just to maintain a home that they can barely afford, let alone pay up for a roof and energy source that they don't find additive to their life.

    If these are purely economic decisions. ... the energy needs of people are met much more cheaply and more reliably by a power plant fueled by natural gas than they are currently by any existing technlogy (other than perhaps nuclear, which gets rejected by a lot of other people as environmentally unsafe) that doesn't emit carbons . If those people look at putting solar panels on their home (as an example), the proposition is very high up front costs and a very long payback period. Which is why the vast majority of people don't willingly make that choice. It is nothing like the added expense of a tractor versus a plow horse, because the solar panels don't provide a kind of electricity that somehow makes those people more productive or boosts their standard of living.
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I posted this the other day on a pizza thread on Anything Goes.



    I wanted to assure people that it wasn't me. I also said I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when someone asked him, "So what are you in for?"
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    It took some time for tractors to catch on, too.

    https://nelsontractorco.com/first-tractor/
     
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