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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Wrong, but you do you.
     
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  2. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    To be clear, I personally think a change would be bad for the climate, but I think smart readers can understand that without leaning on them with words like “weaken” and “aggressive.”

    And there is always the possibility that Newsom’s policies somehow do the opposite of what they’re intending to do. How? I don’t know. But it happens all the time. So I’d rather the headline and the story just tell me what the opponents of Newsom plan to do if in office and let the reader decide that.

    Also, Gavin Newsom’s political destiny is such a small part of the story of the heating of the earth that to give it such importance is really not accurate. The story tries to make the case, but Gavin Newsom isn’t that important to anything.

    We’re collectively trashing the earth. One man’s office isn’t going to change that.
     
  3. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Blah blah blah. California has been the epicenter of anti pollution measures for decades.
     
  4. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    You’ve devolved from chopping everyone’s heads off to just typing a series of blahs. Next comes posts with just blank space. Which will be quite an improvement, I must say.
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    No, I'm right. People make that argument all the time, that climate change is a hoax. They're able to make it, in part, because the definition of what is climate change has virtually no bounds. Every storm. Every fire. Every election. When everything becomes a binary event - for climate change or against climate, even, hell, for God or against God - it actually erodes enthusiasm and creates committed skeptics. I watched it happen in the evangelical Christian movement that's now falling apart, and it'll happen here, too.

    Note: I'm not saying climate change is a hoax. I'm saying, when you connect to so much, it loses its meaning. Just like God does, when you connect a bad week to some sin you must have committed, and you're being punished for. (And, yeah, I've known people who do this.)
     
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  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Yep. Some people can only be called planet killers so many times before they stop giving a shit. That goes for a lot of issues, right and left.
     
  7. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Creeping nihilism.
     
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  8. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    There’s something we can agree on.
     
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  9. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Every storm: When there's more of them and more intense storms, what am I supposed to say about it?
    Every fire: Jesus, the entire West is on fire, so again, what am I supposed to say about it?

    There's so much said about Climate Change because scientists are shouting from the roof tops to get everyone's attentions so that we might, just might, be able to curb it. But people like you who don't want to talk about it makes it harder for the message to get out that, hey, burning coal=bad. Burning less oil=good. Having more than a handful of places where we can reasonably live = good. Having access to clean water = good.

    But just keep on insulting the messengers, because that is a good look.
     
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  10. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    • Twenty meat and dairy farms located throughout China, Brazil, the U.S., and certain members of the European Union emit more greenhouse gas than Germany, Britain, or France.
    • Five meat and milk companies — JBS, Tyson, Cargill, Dairy Farmers of America, and Fonterra — produce more combined emissions every year than major oil companies.
    • Livestock is responsible for 14.5 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions.

    Shocking study finds 20 meat and dairy farms produce more greenhouse gas than Germany, Britain or France
     
  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    The messengers say beef, pork, chicken and milk production are creating more fires and worse storms.

    Again, it's a totalizing theory. All roads lead to and from it, with extinction itself at stake. I'm not arguing that couldn't be true. I am arguing that if everything is about climate change, if each act is a binary event, and each catastrophe can be tracked to specifically-tailored set of political items, if children travel the world on zero-emission boats to glower and bark at leaders...somewhere in that, you might just lose some people, perhaps a lot of people, and in losing them, you lose, period, because nothing really changes.

    Take it from someone who's watched one evangelical movement fall apart, only to give way to another one, within the church, that's destined to do some serious damage. The climate change movement should treat grace like vegetables on the plate, and truth like the protein.
     
  12. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Eh, they did that last part for 30 years and it got them mocked. The early 1990s was full of gentle reminders. Then a little more alarm and they got Al Gore jokes.

    People get tired of being told to exercise and eat well, too. But if they’re morbidly obese and on the cusp of death, the message has to get tough at some point.
     
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