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College Football Playoff Rankings Running Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Boom_70, Oct 27, 2014.

  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    If they win, they're in. Whatever seed they get is just bulletin board fodder.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    FSU started the season ranked #1. I wouldn't have thought it could be the only undefeated team at the end of the season and have dropped to a #4 ranking. I also listened to Jeff Long last night say that TCU is a better team than Baylor.

    Baylor beat TCU when they played! I don't care how they look on paper. That should trump everything.

    Next year maybe we can skip the nuisance of the actual games, and just rely on a committee to evaluate which teams are best. Wouldn't that be progress?
     
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  3. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    TCU and Baylor have the exact same schedule except for two games. Baylor played Northwestern State and Buffalo. TCU played Samford and Minnesota.

    Apparently, TCU beating Minnesota > Baylor beating TCU.

    So yeah, if the actual games don't matter, you might as well just go back to the computers, right?
     
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    The committee's members are very much the usual suspects. Some of the real college football mavens on this board probably named most of them before they were selected. So they are conventional wisdom personified. That in turn means their methodology in ranking teams is based on the same flawed methodologies of the polls that have been used since before they were born. Eye test! There's a real objective phrase. Nothing to me is more offensive than the notion that winning a game by 70 points should count for more than doing so by one point. The guy in the Times who writes about the playoff had it today that Alabama will likely be selected even if it loses to Missouri. Sorry, that's just establishment backscratching. Nothing would do more to convince fans the committee is a bag job.
     
  5. Chef2

    Chef2 Well-Known Member

    A weekend prediction of sorts from ye olde chef.
    Alabama beats Missouri
    Oregon beats Arizona
    TCU beats Iowa State
    Georgia Tech beats Florida State
    Wisconsin beats Ohio State
    Baylor beats Kansas State

    Sunday Morning, we wake up with the following:

    1. Alabama
    2. Oregon
    3. Baylor
    4. TCU
     
  6. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    If all those things happen, that would be a fair result. But I'm not betting that parlay.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The crazy thing is that I am typically an "eye test" kind of person. But my eye tests begins with wins and losses, and it is certainly cemented by head-to-head play.

    If you are comparing teams with similar resumes that haven't met, then you can get into the opinion game about who has looked better, played tougher teams, etc

    In this case, though, TCU played Baylor. They met on an actual football field, and whatever my eye test tells me about the two teams, we can just toss it aside, because Baylor beat TCU. That should have settled it.

    As for Alabama, EVERY GAME at this point should be do-or-die. The way I'd look at it, Alabama has its fate in its own hands. Now go out and take the championship, if you deserve it. If it can't beat Mizzou, it doesn't deserve a spot in the playoff. Win-or-go-home should have already started, as far as I am concerned.
     
  8. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Under the old system, Alabama and FSU would be the two teams selected. And you know what? There would be little to no debate. A P5 undefeated defending national champion vs. the best team in the best conference. Computers don't hate.
     
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  9. Captain_Kirk

    Captain_Kirk Well-Known Member

    Could see that plus with K State beating Baylor. Then, who's the fourth? Florida State still? K State? Ga Tech?

    My dream scenario is still to see all of the top 6 lose, except TCu and then try to unravel that mess.
     
  10. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    I think it is clear that the committee isn't using results but what they think should have happened.

    Baylor beat TCU but it was flukey weird game. Florida State isn't doing things "the right way" and the committee is punishing them for it.

    And they are undefeated, but no one seems to think they are really that good. A combination of luck and Winston carrying them in the second half. I have no doubt that if it was the old system, Florida State might be left out of the top two and not able to defend the title.

    So to say that they would be left out of the top four isn't really that big of a stretch.
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    I don't see GT beating FSU. Paul Johnson lead GT teams seem to have a history of
    blowing up in bowl type games. They are 1 and 5 in bowls since Johnson signed on.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    If the committee is using should have instead of did as a rationale, it deserves to have everything blow up in its face. That's below even the standard used by 1950s polls.
     
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