Creationism vs. Evolution

I feel blessed to have been brought up in an environment where I was taught there was no fundamental conflict between the truths of the Bible and the truths discovered in the realm of science.

Nothing I have read or see as an adult has shaken that basic faith.

The Creationists – and I feel deeply for them, for they are trying to cling to something that makes sense for them – are so busy trying to count the trees they've lost sight of the forest.

 

What cracks me up is that the same people who mock Muslims for believing they'll see 72 virgins in heaven worship a guy who was supposedly born to a virgin, walked on water and came back from the dead.

If you ask me, it's all voodoo ...

 

Well said.

 

Well said

 

Thing is, we've seen evolution take place in organisms such as bacteria that multiply very quickly (so there can be enough generations in a short enough time to make a visible difference). Ask a doctor about bacteria that have become immune to certain antibiotics. Guess how that happened.

 

God?

 

We've seen bacteria and viruses mutate, but we haven't seen a virus become a bacterium or a bacterium become a paramecium.

 

"Nothing in Biology Makes Sense
Except in the Light of Evolution"
-Theodosius Dobzhansky (1900-1975)

This man hit it right on the head. Evolution occurred, thats it, period.

 

there are gaps in every aspect of science because science attempts to actually empirically prove what it sets out to define. is there a single aspect a creationist attempts to prove empirically? really, give one example.

maybe we should stop funding scientists who are attempting to find a cure for cancer and, instead, we all can pray and ask god to take care of the problem for us.

(just a jumping on point. not arguing any of buck's points)

 

I firmly believe that in public schools (or any federally funded school for that matter), only things that can be backed up with evidence should be taught as fact. However, i also think that opinion and debate are essential to a child's development and if creationism comes up in class, it should be discussed and allowed to be debated. As in most arguments, the side with the most facts will win out anyway so I'd be fine if it was being debated in my (future) child's class..just as long as it's not being taught (if that makes sense)

one last note--if i was a scientist of any nature, I'd be pissed when creationism comes up--these guys, and the guys that came before them, dedicated their lives to discovery and education, while the creationism crowd simply sticks their fingers in their ears, closes their eyes, and refuses to acknowledge their work simply because it contradicts their religious beliefs.

 

In some of these debates like the original one posted, these guys do come through with a lot of scientific evidence to believe in intelligent design. I don't think the debate is really as simple as creationism or evolution period. Catholicism is one religion, under JP2 anyway, that takes both into account as well.

 

actually--looking at my post again--while i stand by what i said, i think it was too PC for how i really feel.

People who refuse to believe in generations of scientific fact and instead construct a reality based solely on unproven religions beliefs--and then have the balls to tell us that not only are we (the ones with the facts) wrong, but that our schools should be teaching kids their theories, are fucking morons. I have no problem with anyone's religious beliefs but when you try to force it on our kids (at the expense of SCIENTIFIC FACTS), then we've got a problem.