Crisis in the Ukraine

Starman · Mar 4, 2014

Inky_Wretch said:

PoO, you could have saved time by just pointing out Putin admitted he staged those photo ops. He was trying to get the idiots to believe he's a bad ass. It seems to have worked based on this thread.
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Maybe Obama should land on aircraft carriers in combat jumpsuits. Hooo-ahhh!!!

Boom_70 · Dec 15, 2014

Point of Order said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

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The criticisms, comments, tweets, and posts like this say nothing about the President, but so much about the critics themselves. There is going to be hell to pay at the polls for these reactionary trolls spouting nonsensical putdowns about anything the President does.

One could safely argue that from about 1984 until about 2004 the average independent voter, the great "Middle" of this country, tended to lean slightly rightward on the traditional liberal-conservative two dimensional scale. I have my ideas why, but I'll leave that for another time.

I daresay that has changed drastically over the past ten years, however. On issue after issue -- gay marriage/gay rights, marijuana, income inequality, military adventurism, & immigration to name a few -- the Middle is moving left. Again, the reason why can be debated to eternity, but I think it's becoming very clear this is happening.

While the media is still getting played like a banjo by the tea partying and the war-mongering right, the Middle are disgusted with the comments being made by John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Sarah Palin critical of our President who is trying to lead in the midst of an international crisis. Most people really believe that old saying, "Politics stops at the water's edge." One way you can tell is by skimming the comments of mainstream network news sites when they post such comments on Facebook. The comments are overwhelmingly critical of the President's perennial insta-critics who have no actual proposals of what they might do differently (because they haven't thought about it, all they know is Obama=wrong). The people are ahead of the media on this. The media still plays these comments as if they are a legitimate countervailing foreign policy opinion rather than the platitudes they are.

Graham and McCain might not get kicked out of office for it, but their influence is dwindling every day. America is no longer going for their brand of BS. Again, why can be debated (hint, hint, people haven't forgotten Bush), but when you look at issue polling and some of the anecdotal evidence out there it's pretty hard to argue that it's not happening.
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if you like your health care plan you can keep it.

Point of Order · Mar 4, 2014

I'm still in the lower end of 30s. With the changing demographics in the country and the direction the GOP is being forced by the lunatics, I can easily envision a world in which there is not another republican President in my lifetime. I think this would be unfortunate. I think the country needs (at least) two strong political parties.

Baron Scicluna · Dec 15, 2014

Boom_70 said:

Point of Order said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

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The criticisms, comments, tweets, and posts like this say nothing about the President, but so much about the critics themselves. There is going to be hell to pay at the polls for these reactionary trolls spouting nonsensical putdowns about anything the President does.

One could safely argue that from about 1984 until about 2004 the average independent voter, the great "Middle" of this country, tended to lean slightly rightward on the traditional liberal-conservative two dimensional scale. I have my ideas why, but I'll leave that for another time.

I daresay that has changed drastically over the past ten years, however. On issue after issue -- gay marriage/gay rights, marijuana, income inequality, military adventurism, & immigration to name a few -- the Middle is moving left. Again, the reason why can be debated to eternity, but I think it's becoming very clear this is happening.

While the media is still getting played like a banjo by the tea partying and the war-mongering right, the Middle are disgusted with the comments being made by John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Sarah Palin critical of our President who is trying to lead in the midst of an international crisis. Most people really believe that old saying, "Politics stops at the water's edge." One way you can tell is by skimming the comments of mainstream network news sites when they post such comments on Facebook. The comments are overwhelmingly critical of the President's perennial insta-critics who have no actual proposals of what they might do differently (because they haven't thought about it, all they know is Obama=wrong). The people are ahead of the media on this. The media still plays these comments as if they are a legitimate countervailing foreign policy opinion rather than the platitudes they are.

Graham and McCain might not get kicked out of office for it, but their influence is dwindling every day. America is no longer going for their brand of BS. Again, why can be debated (hint, hint, people haven't forgotten Bush), but when you look at issue polling and some of the anecdotal evidence out there it's pretty hard to argue that it's not happening.
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if you like your health care plan you can keep it.
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Major combat operations are over. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

Batman · Mar 5, 2014

Boom_70 said:

John Kerry single handedly holding off Russian invasion of Kiev
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WOLVERINES!!!!

Tarheel316 · Dec 15, 2014

3_Octave_Fart said:

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Putin is on steroids.

Songbird · Mar 5, 2014

Ryan Braun doesn't think so.

heyabbott · Dec 15, 2014

3_Octave_Fart said:

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Paynendearse · Mar 5, 2014

It's embarrassing, really, the presidents this nation has elected since 2000.

It's a product of our education, which trails most of the developed world.

Inky_Wretch · Mar 5, 2014

Interesting theory about Putin, he's pissed because he thinks the West kept deceiving him.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26447674

Paynendearse · Mar 5, 2014

Point of Order said:

I'm still in the lower end of 30s. With the changing demographics in the country and the direction the GOP is being forced by the lunatics, I can easily envision a world in which there is not another republican President in my lifetime. I think this would be unfortunate. I think the country needs (at least) two strong political parties.
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That other party remains strong deep in the heart of.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/05/5623521/tea-party-flexes-its-muscles-in.html

Double J · Mar 5, 2014

Inky_Wretch said:

Interesting theory about Putin, he's pissed because he thinks the West kept deceiving him.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26447674
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In the West, Moscow's intervention in Crimea has been denounced as "brutal aggression". In Vladimir Putin's mind, that is hypocrisy. He never loses an opportunity to remind the world about US intervention in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan.

Not to mention Central America and the Caribbean. It certainly is hypocrisy on our part.

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