1. Welcome to SportsJournalists.com, a friendly forum for discussing all things sports and journalism.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register for a free account to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Access to private conversations with other members.
    • Fewer ads.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Crisis in the Ukraine

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by NoOneLikesUs, Feb 28, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Good God folks. These situations are not analogous.

    We were attacked by forces operating out of Afghanistan. We had a UN resolution authorizing our actions in Iraq.

    The UN passed a resolution regarding Libya, advanced by the French, that allowed:

    UN member states "to take all necessary measures [notwithstanding the previous arms embargo] to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory''.

    Now, was Russia attacked by Ukraine or Crimea? Did the international community unite behind military force in Ukraine or Crimea?
     
  2. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Those Presidents went to the best Private Schools in the country. If its an indictment of our educational system, the fish stinks from the head down.
    GW Bush, Philips Academy (Private Prep), Yale and Harvard (MBA)
    B Obama, Punahou School (Private Prep),Occidental, Columbia and Harvard (law)
     
  3. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    One of the steps Senator Obama took to burnish his foreign policy credentials was to travel to Ukraine with Dick Lugar, where he helped to disarm Ukraine, for the safety of the Ukrainian people:

    “Vast stocks of conventional munitions and military supplies have accumulated in Ukraine. Some of this stockpile dates from World War I and II, yet most dates from Cold War buildup and the stocks left behind by Soviet withdrawals from East Germany, the Czech Republic, Hungry and Poland,” Obama said. “We need to eliminate these stockpiles for the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.”

    http://www.fas.org/asmp/campaigns/MANPADS/2005/LugarObama.htm
     
  5. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/john-baird-compares-russia-s-actions-in-ukraine-to-nazi-invasion-of-czechoslovakia-1.2558118

    Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird has compared Russia's troop presence in Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula to Hitler's invasion of Sudetenland, a part of the former Czechoslovakia, in 1938.

    Baird, speaking to host Evan Solomon on CBC News Network's Power & Politics, accused Russia of invading and occupying Crimea, a part of Ukraine. "If it's not war, it's akin to war," he said.

    At first, Baird said the situation was "right out of the Cold War." When Solomon pointed out Putin claims he is protecting Russian rights in Crimea, which has a majority of Russian-speaking citizens, Baird said, "The Sudetenland had a majority of Germans. That gave Germany no right to do this in the late 1930s."

    Asked by Solomon if he was making a comparison to the Nazis, Baird replied, "When you have one country invading one of its neighbours, and using this type of outrageous and ludicrous rhetoric, it's hard not to."
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Isn't it?

    It's already being suggested that we "give" Crimea to Putin in order to satisfy him.
     
  7. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    Baird needs to shut the fuck up. He's an embarrassment.
     
  8. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    Again, all of Putin's actions appear to be in the old USSR and he gives all the appearances of protecting his country's interests, that are vast and deep in that part of the world.

    The only question I would ask for those advocating American action: Send in troops?

    Because if you aren't pushing for war in Crimea, a territory that Russian troops moved into without firing a shot, then enjoy a nice glass of juice and sit out a spell.

    Bad historical analogies to Hitler are just a way to fan the flames or a fire that isn't burning.
     
  9. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    If you're talking about Resolution 1441, it absolutely did not authorize a U.S.-led invasion.

    Even if it had, the whole run-up to America's "actions" was based on a lie anyway, or at the very least a myth about "weapons of mass destruction" which still have not been located.
     
  10. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Tell the faux tiger hunter. He's the one who thinks it's the same.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    He, and Double J.
     
  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Perhaps Putin is insane.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116852/merkel-was-right-putins-lost-his-mind-press-conference
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page