Democratic Congresswoman Among 12 Shot in Arizona

Restoring it to... language that appeared in the Declaration of Independence?

Oops.

 

Just checking in to see if the liberals on this thread found either the political connection they desperately want, or a hint of shame. Guess I'll check back again later.

 

I don't believe that to be true.

But, more than that, I don't believe that he was a follower of the "sovereign Citizen" movement.

He was a nihilist. His disbelief in government didn't stem from his participation in the "sovereign citizen" movement. He disbelieved in government because he believed in nothing.

 

Some time around 2013 should be good. I doubt they'll find their conscience before then.

 

I can't believe smart people are trying to square him ideologically.

Ted Kaczynski was a prodigy and at least had some depth of thought in his rantings. Loughner is a twit.

 

You may be right about the shooter. Probably are.

But you're wrong about the Sovereign Citizen movement. It is right wing. Extreme right wing. Very extreme. It's not a reflection of the GOP or conservatives. But on the spectrum it's way to the right.

 

I'm not sure you can plot every political belief on a spectrum that ranges from far left to far right.

 

True, but it's almost identical to the plan pushed by Newt Gingrich and the conservative Congress in the early 1990s.

 

Well then, YF, if the Unabomber is such a stellar example of leftist violence, then you shouldn't need the Weathermen. And if you want to talk about insulting ... keep up with the clumsy attempt to tie the Unabomber to Al Gore. It just makes you look silly. That dog wouldn't hunt when the foaming-at-the-mouth right was selling it years ago. It hasn't improved much with age.

Despite your predictable attempt to play the race card, let's deal with the crux of my point: Where were the Tea Party folks from 2001-09 when their guy was in charge at the White House? With both houses of Congress in their corner from 2001-07?

Back to the Weathermen briefly: How many people did they kill again?

You're flogging a dead horse. We had the Ayers discussion in 2008. You lost. Move on.

 

The Tea Party would not have come about if John McCain were president. It would not have come about if Hillary Clinton were president. In much the same way as Prohibition and the revival of the Klan were the 19th century's last stand, the Tea Party is white backlash's last stand.

 

If the Tea Party were a liberal organization they would have been proclaimed the second coming by the media.

They did nothing different than many groups have done over our nations history. They did not like some of the policies of Washington and banded together to get them changed through the ballot.

 

Would you like to argue that the Unabomber was not a leftist? What about James Lee? Is he a leftist or not?

Maybe Gore and the Unabomber aren't "tied together" but they are kindred spirits. Don't believe me? Take the Quiz: http://www.crm114.com/algore/quiz.html

I played the race card? I'm sorry, but that's what you did, not me.

Where does any group of political activists come from? Where were the college kids who voted for Obama?

People become politically active due to a variety of reasons.

I see no evidence that any large number of "Tea Party" activists were inspired by Obama's race. If you have some, other than, "where were they before Obama," you should provide it.

Is that all that matters?

I think we're lucky that a bunch of rich kids weren't terrific bomb makers and mostly succeeded in blowing themselves up.

But, you only need to read Rudd's piece in the Post to understand what their intentions were.

Look, if you want to embrace Ayers and his ilk, that's fine with me. It says more about you than you know.

If being on the same side as Ayers means you've won, I'm glad to have lost.