Design thread

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Definitely 1st place APSE.

 

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Belo has a mandatory editing test that Wordhawk, er, Dye Pack,  would fail, so there's no way he would he hired in 1957 or 2006. Of course, with the way he conjures up facts, numbers or insight that have no basis in reality, he might have been able to work in our circulation department, circa 2002-05.

 

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You probably shouldn't be talking about editing tests with posts that refer to "karets."

 

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Copy editors deal with words.
Designers deal with design.

Copy editors don't design pages.
Designers don't write headlines or rim stories.

At most places, those two worlds never collide. If you want to rag on a poor headline or poor spelling, you need to take it up with a copy editor or a slot editor. When it comes to words, the designer is generally the person the furthest from being responsible for that.

Now, a confusing layout or poor display or poor photo choice or a poor photo crop? That falls completely on the designer.

 

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I'm a veteran of editing tests, so I can talk about them all day long, regardless of typos on previous posts. I know a lot about them. It's the very same way that you can talk about being a prick who doesn't have a job and has lots of time to stalk various journalism Internet message boards. Are there any posts about that on SportsJournalists.com? You should go there!

 

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It's not quite as simple as that. It's on a designer if he/she doesn't leave an adequate hed count for a story involving, let's say, Roethlisberger. It's also on the designer if stories aren't played relative to their news value. A design shouldn't be crapped out for the sake of the news, but the word and design people can't for one second be in different worlds.

 

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Oh, I completely agree dools.

I know that in no way is Roethlisberger going to fit in a one-column hed at 42 point. Stuff like that goes without saying.

 

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Are you a veteran of failing them? Or getting the facts wrong? Because a lot of people here must be unemployed to fit your description.

Just stick to your clique where every major mistake is shrugged off or blamed on another department (see previous post).

 

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Except to many designers, who need a lot spelled out in advance. Again and again ...

 

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did a designer kill your mother or something


(or just lock that pressroom door?)

 

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I'm hoping to leave Wordhawk out of this, but I've got to disagree with you, Carrie. I write headlines, cutlines and graphic material every day. I'm not the best headline writer in the world, but I know what I want. I usually ask our editors to look at the headline I've written and do better. They often do. Often copy editors make design suggestions to me that are great and make a ton of sense because they have been reading the story. Same with the night editor and higher editors.

I think at a ton of papers those two worlds collide alot and the divisions are pretty gray.

The other design stuff is a huge part of what I do as well, but the words are the biggest part of that.

Ignore Wordhawk, er Dye Pack, for the next two pages...

 

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Not sure I follow that last one ...