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Did Imus talk about the Rutgers women's team?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by D-3 Fan, Apr 6, 2007.

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  1. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are pissing on Martin Luther King's grave on a daily basis.

    The last fucking thing in the world those two fucks want to do is eliminate the things they claim to be trying to stop. If that happens then they would have to actually do an honest day's work to make a living.

    They're both race-baiting poverty pimps who have made millions out of fanning the flames of racism in this country. Sharpton should be in prison for what happened in Crown Heights and Harlem.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Don't call me a bigot, asswipe.

    The guy is a fraud. The fact that he's black and I am calling him a fraud does not make me a bigot. I call lots of people frauds. My motivation isn't race.

    With regard to Toyota, let's see. He used the typical scam (it rarely varies, because he sticks with what works)... Threatened a boycott over an ad he objected to. Toyota got on its knees and groveled. But with the opportunity there, he blew the molehill into a mountain and put the extortion plan into action. He knows racism claims freak businesses out and they will pay to make them go away. So he expanded it into a diversity issue, which Toyota could have actually countered succesfully. But who is going to take on the "civil rights" leader calling them racists? So Toyota ponied up $7.8 billion dollars, which largely went into the pockets of minority suppliers greasing Operation Rainbow Push (which is why the IRS is all up in his business!), and of course Jackson personally, was the biggest beneficiary of all.

    Would be one thing if he pulled off the scam once and had anything else he does of good consequence. But his whole existence is to extort money from people. Call me a bigot again, and I'll document at least a dozen instances. It was particularly interesting that when he was running the scam against Annheiser-Busch, he also demanded $500 each from local BLACK businessmen to support his boycott. Bettering the African-American race may or may not be a priority for this guy. For him, money talks, just about anything else walks.

    Oh, and if I am a bigot, so are dozens of editorial pages that have written about this and called him a fraud too. But thanks for labeling me with such a negative term, dickwad.

    And I don't need to talk about the community work I do (because I get a thrill out of it), which really isn't designed to "help a minority" as it is to help kids, who are by circumstance nearly all minorities. I actually think the thing that says more about me is that my black friends know I don't look at them as black guys. I judge them individually. They are my friends because they are fun and they are good guys and they aren't morons. I'm sure they' read your posts on here and ask who the idiot is.
     
  3. And good for you.
    My point stands.
    I think it's pretty hard to argue that Jesse Jackson -- who did, you may recall, run not one but two very credible campaigns for president -- has not been comparatively marginalized in the years since, and that Sharpton has at least as many public detractors as he has supporters. For public figures, that's the best sanction available. They don't work, as Imus does, for large American corporations that become tarred with his bigotry. As for AQB, well, let's ask the people who keep MLK's grave what they feel about the two of them before we speak for them all, OK?
     
  4. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Yes, boots, your use of the term "bigot" is beginning to smack of the aforementioned Retroactive Guilt Syndrome. We are allowed to criticize those of all colors.
     
  5. I ask, again, the question I always ask when this kind of discussion arises:
    What exactly could a radio host say about black people on the radio that you all would agree is egregious enough to get him fired, ratings be damned?
    (And the abuse heaped on Gwen Ifill here for her NYT piece today is enough to make me believe that the answer to that question remains, "Almost nothing.")
     
  6. boots

    boots New Member

    I felt the statement Ragu made was bigoted. He has black friend. Well whooptefuckin do. If you don't live in a shell, you should have people from all walks of life black, white, asian, etc. Especially if you live a metropolitan area.
    The name calling doesn't change a thing and I'm going to that level.
     
  7. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    C. Vivian Stringer press conference on ESPN. She's putting Imus on blast.
     
  8. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    Rutgers press conference live on espn....Coach Stringer is quite a lady.
     
  9. PHINJ

    PHINJ Active Member

    I can't see what Jesse Jackson's past "scams" and "extortion" have to do with what he's doing in this case.

    Imus made what was unquestionably a derogatory remark and black leaders who were offended by it are calling for him to be punished by his media outlets. They have every right to do this.

    This isn't some trumped-up charge invented by Jackson and Sharpton in some nefarious scheme to enable them to continue "exploiting" their followers. If it is, then every black leader and voice that has spoken on this subject must be part of the conspiracy, because the reaction has been pretty uniform.

    This is really nothing compared to what the Jersey Guys do on NJ 101.5 every day though.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    boots, The name calling began with you. How disingenuous, but typical. My calling Jesse Jackson a fraud is a legitimate argument made by many others--do I really have to hit Nexis to find the op-ed pieces?--without racist motives. You might personally disagree. But I never once mentioned race or made it into an issue about the color of his skin. And I think my posting history on here demonstrates that I will call ANYONE I think is dishonest what they are--black, white or martian. So I have hopefully earned credibility with people, unlike you, who matter.

    You called me a bigot. I take allegations like that more seriously than people who use it as a throwaway, because it strikes at the heart of what I stand for. Call me a bigot without justification, and I will call you an asshole, because only an asshole looking to start a fight with me, would construe anything I said to be bigotry.

    And you really need to gather some reading comprehension skills. That wasn't the typical, "I have lots of black friends." It was a statement about how I judge people individually... That kind of person is actually capable of judging a person on his merits, and when someone has a beef with a person of color, they listen to the beef, rather than shouting, "BIGOT." You're the one with the problem (well, lots of problems, as demonstrated by your behavior on the board).

    Now feel free to barrage me with unanswered condescending PMs in which you call me "son." You haven't earned my respect and I am not your son, you blowhard, condescending moron.
     
  11. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    This is a great press conference. She's basically said, "This isn't about a women's basketball team. This is about women. As a parent, would you want your daughter to be called a ho?"
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    PHINJ, Fair point. I wasn't aware that Jackson was doing anything... yet. I thought it was Al Sharpton's show right now. No doubt, given his history, Jackson is pouring over the possible angles, though. Yes, I am cynical when it comes to the man. It's with good reason. Hit google and read about some of his better shake downs.

    Let me be clear, though, that none of it excuses or should be a side show that takes the onus off of Imus. He's an unfunny idiot who unapologetically (until his ass was against the wall) did and said something that made a lot people feel reflexively ill. He deserves any fallout, and more, that he gets from this. Those Rutgers basketball players didn't deserve that kind of disrespect and he single-handedly brought back to life detestable words used to demean black people that should have long ago disappeared from the language. The fact that him and his team used those words, and thought it was humurous, says a great deal about him.
     
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