Did it work or didn't it?

Just as soon as he finished watching الحلق العميق

 

Also legal principles.

 

Moreso economic, the real "sweet science."

 

If they're considered soldiers then you wouldn't be able to waterboard them, right? I'm for that. They don't get due process but you can't waterboard them.

 

http://www.yamli.com/translate/

 

Everything was going just fine 'till the pretty boys on the other side of Campbell Army Airfield balled up a perfectly good $40M helicopter.

 

In the 10 preceding years, how many people have we tortured who gave us incorrect information and/or told us what we wanted to hear . . . just to make the torture stop (as McCain says happens all the time)?

How many wild goose chases did we go on based on that information? How many Americans were killed in pursuit of these wild goose chases?

Give me the answer to that, and you'll get my opinion on whether torture was a good or bad idea in the pursuit of bin Laden.

 

None. Now prove me wrong.

 

Maybe when we asked where Bin Laden was, we could follow it up with pretty please with sugar on top.

 

I respect McCain, but he was also the one who said during the 2008 election that he would not go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden. Obama, to his credit, did what it took to get the guy. That probably included giving the OK to torture, or at least looking the other way.

He should be applauded for that.

 

The government's case that Farhi Saeed Bin Mohammed was an enemy combatant hinged on information Binyam Mohamed had provided that they had spent time together at an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. That information was likely the fruit of torture, Judge Kessler found, and ordered the government “to take all necessary and appropriate diplomatic steps to facilitate [Farhi Saeed Bin Mohammed's] release forthwith.” (He becomes the 31 st detainee to prevail in a habeas corpus petition since the Supreme Court affirmed the right of Guantánamo prisoners to raise such claims in U.S. courts.)


http://www.thetorturereport.org/diary/fruits-torture


WASHINGTON, Dec. 8 - The Bush administration based a crucial prewar assertion about ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda on detailed statements made by a prisoner while in Egyptian custody who later said he had fabricated them to escape harsh treatment, according to current and former government officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/politics/09intel.html?ex=1291784400&en=13ec20f2ef8fa256&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/12/v-print/2214571/the-damage-torture-does.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/15/AR2007011501204.html

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/09/badintelligence/

http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=security/terror-suspects/coerced-confessions/army-intelligence-says-torture-creates-bad-intelligence.txt

 

Honest question: Are you in favor of torture because you think it works or because you like to see terrorists get theirs?