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DMN's Evan Grant votes for Michael Young as AL MVP

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Versatile, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Based on WAR (Wanking Above Replacement)?
     
  2. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Let's change the name to aWARds.
     
  3. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    WAR is not a predictive stat.
     
  4. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    You don't think a player has additional value to a team by his or her leadership, influence upon chemistry, selflessness and other things that "don't show up in the boxscore," or is that just stuff that sounds good? Because if your position is as simple as you say it, then there should be no voting. Best stats win.
     
  5. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    The search for the five-toy player
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Find me the years someone won the Most Valuable Player award because of "intangibles."

    Voters have always based their vote on the numbers. They just use different numbers now.
     
  7. lcjjdnh

    lcjjdnh Well-Known Member

    Depends how the person reached that belief. Best as I can tell, the WAR folks have used the scientific method and statistical analysis to reject the importance of "late & close" performances. Has this other person put a similar amount of work into verifying his belief? It's human nature to get fooled by our cognitive biases and heuristics when decisionmaking. I suppose if one doesn't accept the scientific method it's difficult to prove they're wrong, but it's also much more difficult for me to trust their analysis.

    Further, even if this person was "right"--or at least not wrong--that "late & close" performances matter, is there any proof that he actually tried to measure the performance of his MVP choice relative to other players in the league?
     
  8. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Then why vote, Dick? Set the benchmarks, and the player who hits it -- or exceeds all others who hit it -- wins. Otherwise, the "always" of this voting history is just silly, right? Something for people to do to make them feel important?
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    What benchmarks then? You use objective numbers, but there are still close calls in determining who was most valuable over 162 games.

    You really trust someone in San Francisco basing his vote upon the leadership of someone who plays in, say, Philadelphia?

    I don't.
     
  10. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Dick, I don't trust anybody.
     
  11. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    Johnny trusted a guy once.

    Once.
     
  12. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Shhhhhh.
     
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