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Do Americans understand how far they have fallen in world's eyes?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by RARist, Dec 31, 2020.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    You know who depends on "globalism"?

    American soy bean farmers. And Wal-Mart shoppers.

    But that's not really what's under discussion on this thread. What's being examined here is American standing in the world. Our national stature in the community of nations. Our global political leverage.

    Some of which depends on military power certainly, and money, but a great deal of which rests on our reputation in the world.

    You want to isolate China and China's rapacious combination of runaway capitalism and murderous authoritarianism?

    You better hope the United States can build a global coalition of allies willing to do so. A failure of our international standing makes that much harder to do.

    The rest of what you posted could be cribbed from an anti-League of Nations flyer circa 1920. Decadent Europe! Hedonists! Bankers! Immoral urbanites!
     
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  2. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    Wondering if Alma had ever left his home state as he has a very weird and negative view of people who travel, many of whom are not wealthy.
     
  3. forever_town

    forever_town Well-Known Member

    I don't know if I fully understand all the ramifications of it, but I'm aware that we're being ridiculed, and rightly so.

    And that bothers the everloving shit out of me.
     
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  4. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I don't care about whether people shop for a few cents cheaper at Wal-Mart. Do you? I don't get pizza from Domino's either.


    Sort of. It's more about whether Americans are aware of the apparent dip in our reputation across the world.

    I'm sure it has dipped. And Trump was voted out. So it'll go back up as Biden says the things most of the media wants to hear, which, by proxy, improves our standing around the world.

    Full divesture in China would probably do the trick. Of course, that'd hurt Americans, to some degree, no question. More to the point: It'd hurt very, very rich Americans quite a bit.

    We're not turning back on globalism anytime soon. It's here and here to stay. I can and have accepted that. It's the preferred operating procedure for the world's powers, and I look forward to more truth being spoken to it.
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    By whom?

    Why? Can't change it.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Then I'll answer the OP's questions no, and no.
     
  7. RARist

    RARist Member

    Alma, no one can stop you from sticking your head in the sand. Whether you like it or not, the above response is pretty much the definition of that.
    It's that attitude that frustrates non-Americans, because contrary to your belief, you actually can change it. It's us, outside the borders, that can't. And it's less about the politics, more about the dysfunction.
    Whether you like it or not, what happens there has impact all over the world. That's the dynamic the U.S. wants and has deliberately created.
    As someone once said about the U.S.:
    "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast ... one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
    Imagine what that's like when the beast is agitated. No one gets any sleep.
     
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  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Now we're getting somewhere.

    What would you like me - all Americans - to do for ya?
     
  9. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

     
  10. RARist

    RARist Member

    Think about someone else for once. Why don't you try that?
     
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  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    OK. What would you like us to think about?
     
  12. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Are you this stupid or just obtuse?

    We are the gorilla in the China shop. What we do has dramatic effects on everything around us. When we act normal and civilized and sympathetic, the world is a much better place.

    When we stop around like a child trying to grab everything we can without giving a single fuck about others, the world is a shitty place. What will also happen if that keeps up is a few other nations will organize to take our ass out.

    Or maybe the best player on a team is a better analogy? Do you want a ball hog who only wants what benefits them or do you want a team player?
     
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