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Do Vegetarians and Vegans Think They Are Better Than Everyone Else?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by 3_Octave_Fart, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. waterytart

    waterytart Active Member

    Can't "religious identity" be a midpoint there?

    Apologies if I've told this before: A few years ago, we spent spring break in the Keys. Spring break is actually Easter break and usually overlaps Passover, as it did that year.

    One day at lunch, I ordered a crab sandwich and our daughter ordered a cheeseburger. When our meals arrived, we carefully set aside the buns, and proceeded to eat our utterly trayf selections.

    Vers, you expressed the observant perspective perfectly in your earlier post. You either observe kashruth or you don't. There's no such thing as partial credit.

    The problem is I can't justify keeping kosher. Not eating pork or shellfish or mixing meat and milk--I can imagine choosing all of that. I could buy our meat from a kosher grocer.

    Separate dishes and flatware and "Oh my G-d, not that dishtowel"? No. That is reducing a system intended to safeguard human health and respect animals to .... COOTIES! Since kashruth is all or nothing, I remain outside.

    But I can eschew "bakery" for eight days and feel enough constraint in my eating that I have to take account of why I'm doing it. I can fast on Yom Kippur and reach a point of discomfort by the time Isaiah tells us it's pointless that forces me to want to get it right.

    Yes, I'll always be an a la carte Jew. That works, too.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Fish is not a middle ground for vegans who are morally opposed to eating meat. Now, you may disagree with their principles. But given their principles, fish is not a middle ground. It may be polite to serve meat to guests, but it would compromise their most cherished belief. I can't imagine being angry at someone for abiding by their principles like that.
     
  3. Here me roar

    Here me roar Guest

    Not sure 93 has to worry about this because if I was vegan/vegetarian and was having a party, I wouldn't want him around dripping his disdain for my life choices.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am still trying to figure out why fish is a good "middle ground"?

    Why not goat testicles? Or pork ribs wrapped in bacon, salmon and stuffed with shrimp and turkey meat?

    They seem like pretty good middle grounds, too, don't they?

    None of that answers the obvious question about why there is any need for a "middle ground." Middle ground for what -- the expectation that anyone who wants to have a gathering, rent out a Ponderosa Steakhouse and hand out beef skewers and bacon cologne as party favors?
     
  5. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Are you aware that many people who are not vegetarians will not eat red meat? Red meat, to me, is the far side of eating meat.

    http://vegetarian.about.com/od/glossary/g/Pescatarian.htm - Ragu can learn something new today.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    We had a couple of them over the other night. They brought their own chicken sausages for me to throw on the grill. The husband gave in, though, and ate one of my tasty burgers.

    I had a friend a few years ago who is a cop now who gave up red meat. That was for health reasons, though. I try to eat it rarely. It's amazing how your body can react just from a really simple diet change. About a week ago, I decided that I needed to stop having a casual beer or two at home at night. As of today, without changing anything else at all, I'm down three pounds.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Why yes, 93. I am aware that different people have things they do and don't eat. Some people don't eat certain things because of ethical concerns. Others don't eat certain things because of perceived health concerns.

    With that non-sequitur out of the way. ... I am also aware that a vegetarian doesn't eat meat. Your "far side" world notwithstanding, a vegetarian doesn't find a cow on a broiler more or less objectionable to a striped bass in a frying pan.

    Brace yourself for this. ... that is precisely what makes that person a vegetarian.

    Does anyone on here know how to incorporate Sesame Street graphics into a post? Maybe if the cookie monster explains the basic concept. ...
     
  8. Dyno

    Dyno Well-Known Member

    Enough with the vegetarian propaganda, Ragu. Everyone knows Cookie Monster doesn't eat meat.
     
  9. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Ragu must be Italian for "never wrong."

    Have you figured this out yet? Yes and no are good answers.

    You championing a vegetarian diet answers this thread's initial question. You can condescend with Sesame Street answers, but then again that just reaffirms what I was getting at all along.
     
  10. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Do Vegetarians and Vegans Think They Are Better Than Everyone Else?

    Dyno, do you see what you are doing?
     
  11. Dyno

    Dyno Well-Known Member

    Why don't you tell me?
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    So are you going to walk back the fish point then?
     
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