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DOMA unconstitutional (5-4); Court punts on gay marriage (no standing)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jun 26, 2013.

  1. Humungus

    Humungus Member

    yeah, i mean how dumb do you have to be to admit that you're not going to work with someone because they're gay.

    make shit up.
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Markets jump 1 percent as investors consider impact on wedding industry
     
  3. My heart goes out to heterosexuals who think their marriages are now meaningless due to the rulings today.
     
  4. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    According to her view of the world, however, in which children need to grow up in a "traditional" household, it is. I agree, incidentally, that my parents' divorce was good for all concerned, not least my sister and me. But for all the hand-wringing about the devastation of traditional marriage, you'd think you'd have more efforts to outlaw divorce.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Not exactly the same, but they do gripe about no-fault divorce.
     
  6. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    Of course they can go to another photographer. Just like the gay couple can go to another landlord, one who doesn't mind renting to gay couples, because who would want to rent from someone like that anyway?

    All fine and good until you end up somewhere where you all of a sudden can't rent from anyone, etc. "They can go somewhere else" isn't a legal defense against a discrimination claim. You know who else can go somewhere else, or more specifically do something else? The photographer. Don't want to abide by the laws governing business operations? Then don't go into business.
     
  7. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    Don't remember hearing about any efforts to pass constitutional amendments banning it, though.
     
  8. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    It wasn't that long ago some states were passing bills to allow covenant marriages, which required pre-wedding counseling and made divorce more difficult to obtain. I don't think many couples opted for them though.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Mike Huckabee (who had one of those covenant marriages) tweeted today: "Jesus wept."

    In other news, Mike Huckabee makes my skin crawl.
     
  10. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    It's not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be. For starters, who would have thought that a photographer-for-hire would be construed as a "public accommodation"? Here's the New Mexico definition:

    It's absolutely not a reach to suppose that a photographer-for-hire would not consider him-/herself an "establishment" that rises to the level of public accommodation. If you have case law to suggest that such an interpretation has long been the case, I am all ears. But I suspect that is a relatively contemporary interpretation. Indeed, I would not be surprised to find that this is the first time an individual engaged in creative works has ever been treated, by the law, as a public accommodation.

    Assuming that is the case -- and I repeat that I am open to evidence that it is not -- then our photographer didn't have the choice of "don't go into business," because she found herself in non-compliance after the fact. She could have, at that point, chosen to exit the business. But the financial damage had already been done.

    I've been trying all day to find an analogous hypothetical that puts this into a more locally appreciated light. Thankfully I stumbled across this post from "The Volokh Conspiracy":

     
  11. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Boy, that looks pretty on-point, dq.

    Still think all sides are jerks for not just finding a way around it, but you've swayed me.
     
  12. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    So, Jesus cries at weddings.

    I always thought he was a sensitive guy.
     
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