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Dr. V's magical putter

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, Jan 15, 2014.

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  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    OK.
     
  2. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    That's why I used the word "confusion." Perhaps I should've said "gender confusion can be the trigger for mental illness."

    The word "treatment" has been stigmatized, too.
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    But, it's not "confusion", it's "distress". Those are very different feelings.

    And, where do you suppose the distress might come from? Maybe from knowing that they won't be accepted. Maybe out out of fear for their personal safety?

    Maybe they worry that others will think they have a mental illness (do they just need some cure to this "illness" they have). Maybe, they worry that jerkoffs like 31-year-old Caleb Hannan will be cavalier with their personal information, and needlessly out them to the people they know.
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    BTW, where is Caleb?

    Caleb Hanna watch: Day 6

    I'm starting to get worried about him.

    ESPN & Grantland have both apologized on his behalf. Does he have nothing to say? Is he not sorry, or is it taking him this long to write something.

    He was able to put his grief aside when he learned of Dr V's suicide, and turned in 7,700 words in less than 2 weeks. I'd think he could bang out an apology by now.
     
  5. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Distress can come from confusion. Distress can come from many different avenues. And, distress can impair one's normal function.

    I didn't like that what I have (alcoholism) is considered a mental illness. I got over it once I realized that I could be helped.

    Not "cured."

    "Helped."
     
  6. Central-KY-Kid

    Central-KY-Kid Well-Known Member

    More research:

    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx
    javascript:__doPostBack('ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$gvSearchResults$ctl03$lbCaseNum','')
    Case Number Name Party Type Birth Date Address Court
    R-0751-PR-2011037696 ESSAY ANNE VANDERBILT DEFENDANT 07/1953 RAVENSDALE, WA 98051 Scottsdale City C
    Filing Date: 12/19/2011
    Disposition Date: 6/12/2012
    It was supposed to be in traffic court. However, this is listed:
    "5/11/2012 Indicator: Sexual Offenses D 1"


    Vanderbilt's partner/business partner, Gerolin "Gerry" Jordan, was involved in three civil court cases in the same Arizona county (Maricopa) that Vanderbilt filed for bankruptcy.

    https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearchResults.asp?lastName=Jordan&FirstName=Gerolin&bName=

    Case Number Party / Business Name
    CV2010-013029 Jordan, Gerolin - DOB: N/A
    File Date: 5/19/2010
    Sex: Unknown

    CV2010-018405 Jordan, Gerolin - DOB: N/A
    File Date: 6/23/2010
    Sex: Female

    CV2010-031218 Jordan, Gerolin - DOB: N/A
    File Date: 12/29/2010
    Sex: Male

    Could this be bad court documentation? Very possible. But what's up with the sex listing being different every time?

    Again, all of the above is public. Mostly clicked on links via google and entered names. No log-ins, passwords or subscriptions.
     
  7. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    As a reporter who has gotten death threats, in the pre-Twitter age, I can tell you that the police generally tell you to avoid interactions with the groups or people who issued the threats.

    I'd suspect that the writer had been advised by local law enforcement and corporate security types to keep a low profile.

    Personally, I'd like to thank Grantland and Hannan for the story even though I thought then and now it shouldn't have been published, but by reading the story and the resulting coverage I've learned so much about the trans community and the issues they deal with.

    Like most Americans, I don't know anyone who is or was trans. In college, so many years ago, my school had a male professor who dressed as a woman. At the time, we thought he was a cross-dresser and viewed it as some sort of fetish. Or how cross-dressing is still viewed, by some, today. But was the professor trans? I have no idea.

    It brings me to some questions though.

    YF, you're personally responsible for roughly a quarter of the posts on this thread and you have demonstrated some knowledge of the trans community.

    So, are you trans? Do you know someone personally who is trans? Perhaps, a family member or friend?

    I'll hang up and listen.
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I'm missing the point you are trying to make.

    Distress can come from different avenues, yes. It certainly can impair one's normal function, and judgements.

    And, it leads to not just depression, but all kinds of issues, including agoraphobia. Transgendered people think they are always being stared a. They think people are talking about them behind their back, or laughing at/about them. Someone across a room might be laughing at something, and the transgendered person will think they are laughing at them.

    Also, as a result, they often are on medication for depression, and other issues. These drugs have side effects as well, which can manifest in all kinds of ways.

    And, the hormone treatments that are involved in transitioning effect personality and mood to.

    It's a really hard process.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Caleb could put out a statement, without "interacting" with the folks making "death threats".

    He could sit down and do an interview without interacting with the folks who are threatening him.


    We've referred to the LGBT (and now LGBTQ) community by the same acronym for years. The "T" stands for trans. (And, if you look around, you'll see people writing trans* to signify transgender/transsexual, as some of the terms have changed/evolved.)

    You can't claim to be an advocate for LGBT people and issues, and then claim complete ignorance to the issues surrounding the "T".

    So, I'm sorry, about a lot of people who were very proud of their enlightened stance on LGBT issues were grandstanding. And, they are now using the same defense (ignorance) they demonized when others claimed ignorance on issues surrounding the gay and lesbian community.

    Am I trans? No. Nor are any family members.

    A former employee is (now) a post-op, transexual. She dealt with all of these issues.

    She had good days and bad days, based on how she perceived the world as accepting her. There were days she couldn't leave her house. There were days she wouldn't pick up the phone. There were days she would drive to a job, and turn around and go home, without going in.

    She thought people were staring at her, and laughing at her.

    Sometimes her medication was off, and needed to be adjusted.

    She had been rejected by her family.

    It's not an easy life.
     
  10. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    My point is that all of the things you just listed are not things mentally stable people do.

    It might help some of the people suffering from all of those things if there were some kind of treatment they could get to deal with paranoia, agoraphobia, depression, etc., which in this case are directly brought on by their gender confusion.

    I call that "mental illness." To me, there's no more of a stigma to getting help for that than there was for my ex when she saw a psychiatrist for homesickness.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Look, I don't disagree with you.

    My employee was is a really good person, and a very good technician. As an employee, she was incredibly frustrating.

    But, the underlying issue is not a mental disorder.
     
  12. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Thinking back right now, I may have had an experience with a trans in Santa Maria without knowing it then.

    Had an inkling something may have been amiss when she wouldn't let me touch her privates when we were making out, but those inklings quickly blew away when I was in her mouth. She left the job (ad rep) not too long afterward, and I didn't get a chance to confirm my suspicions.
     
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