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MisterCreosote · Jan 24, 2014

YankeeFan said:

What have I said that was false?
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YankeeFan said:

Yet, when Islan Nettles is murdered, strictly for being trans, we are not asked to have a national conversation. We are not asked what is wrong in Harlem, or in the African-American community that led to her murder, and that makes it unsafe for trans women.
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Family seeks justice for Islan Nettles on Transgender Day of Remembrance

November 20 marks Transgender Day of Remembrance, an annual day of commemoration for those who've experienced transgender discrimination and abuse. Supporters around the world have been using the hashtag #TDOR online to honor men and women who've lost their lives as a result of anti-transgender violence.

Many are calling attention to the case of Islan Nettles (pictured below), the 21-year-old woman from Harlem who was attacked in the streets for being transgender. She died from her injuries three days after the August attack.
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Justice for Islan Nettles, murdered in a hate crime

For many transgender people—especially transgender women—the reality of daily struggle is rarely more than a heartbeat away. A brief look at recent statistics only tells half the story. In 2012, for instance, 53 percent of anti-LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) homicides specifically targeted transgender women. The majority of these victims are women of color.

In the early hours of Aug. 17, 21-year-old Islan Nettles was beaten to death in Harlem, New York. Male attackers first sexually harassed, then surrounded Nettles and a group of friends, shouting anti-gay and trans-phobic slurs. At the end of the incident, Nettles lost consciousness as the group scattered. She was taken to Harlem Hospital, where she died five days later.

The transgender community faces a devastating loss in Islan Nettles’ death. Beyond the statistics, we must understand the bigotry that makes capitalist society an especially dangerous place for Black transgender women like Islan Nettles. We must fight back, because we cannot stand by and lose another valuable life to hateful violence.
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Chelsea Manning, Islan Nettles and the Struggle for Trans Survival

While Chelsea Manning's announcement of her gender identity confounded the press, the transgender community in New York was reeling over the loss of yet another young transgender woman of color to violence. It is impossible to separate the bias and confusion about transgender individuals from the long history of violence against transgender communities. With questions circulating all week about who is deserving of medically necessary care and being talked about with dignity, the story of Islan Nettles reminds us that these are not insignificant questions, but life and death questions for many transgender people.
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Islan Nettles' Murder and the Shameful (Non-)Response of LGBs

I am calling on all members of the LGBTQ community to raise awareness of this heinous act. Nov. 20 is Transgender Day of Remembrance, and there are hundreds of opportunities worldwide to memorialize and raise awareness of anti-transgender hatred and prejudice.

Prosecutors aren't acting quickly and have already allowed a speedy trial time of 90 days to pass on charges brought against one of the other attackers. Someone's life was taken away from them at the young age of 21. We must become conscious of this injustice and demand a fair and accurate trial.

It is our responsibility as members of this community to stand together and raise awareness in honor of Islan Nettles.
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Embarking on a New Life, Transgender Woman Has It Brutally Taken

Ms. Nettles’s death has incensed New York’s transgender community. Many have experienced violence themselves and have spent years overcoming past abuse, depression and thoughts of suicide. And though the leaps toward equality made by gay men and lesbians in recent years seem to have left transgender people behind, they have become more visible in politics, entertainment and sports.

Even in the city’s rougher neighborhoods, there is a growing sense of tolerance, even acceptance.

“The death of Islan Nettles has lit a spark with many in the trans community,” said Kiara St. James, 39, a transgender woman who lives in Brooklyn and works for an organization called TransJustice. “Although violence toward trans women is far too common and many of us often have varying weapons we carry on our persons to protect ourselves, many of us still do our best to live productive lives and not stay shut in our apartments.”

“Rather than make us go into hiding,” she added, “we are more determined than ever to stand up and be visible.”
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YankeeFan · Jan 24, 2014

Hannan apologists cited a journalist’s responsibility to stay focused on the story. They echoed a belief that Vanderbilt’s history as a transgender person did in some way belong in this piece, calling it proof of further fraud. They stood by, uninterested in improving future reporting.

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/01/24/op-ed-deadly-effects-outing
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Yes. Exactly right.

Dick Whitman · Jan 24, 2014

One thing I want to note: Back when Elena Kagan was nominated for the Supreme Court, I stated that I believed journalistic inquiries into her sexual orientation were acceptable, because she could possibly be deciding major gay rights cases. (Which turned out to be true, no surprise.)

A lot of posters disagreed with me. Vehemently.

MisterCreosote · Jan 24, 2014

Hannan's major mistake, as far as I can tell, was to agree to tell the story "about the science and not the scientist."

I would never do the story if I had to agree to certain conditions beforehand. I certainly wouldn't agree to those conditions and then go back on my word.

YankeeFan · Jan 24, 2014

MisterCreosote said:

Hannan's major mistake, as far as I can tell, was to agree to tell the story "about the science and not the scientist."

I would never do the story if I had to agree to certain conditions beforehand. I certainly wouldn't agree to those conditions and then go back on my word.
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And, they've not properly addressed this issue.

Dick Whitman · Jan 24, 2014

The outing doesn't bother me as much as treating the outing as the cherry on top of all the other deceptions, causing a "chill" to go up the writer's spine. I understand the instinct to think, "Holy shit, another discrepancy between public and private life!" But he should have pushed through that and realized that it wasn't of a kind with the other discoveries.

YankeeFan · Jan 24, 2014

MC, if you want to argue that we had a "national conversation" in light of Islan Nettles murder, go ahead and say so.

I will argue it.

No one is in custody for her murder.

Her name is not nearly as recognizable as Matthew Shepard's.

The cause to seek justice for Shepard, or Trayvon Martin, was taken up broadly, by people outside the gay, and/or African-American community. I see very little effort outside the small trans community to seek justice for Islan.

jr/shotglass · Jan 24, 2014

Dick Whitman said:

The outing doesn't bother me as much as treating the outing as the cherry on top of all the other deceptions, causing a "chill" to go up the writer's spine. I understand the instinct to think, "Holy shit, another discrepancy between public and private life!" But he should have pushed through that and realized that it wasn't of a kind with the other discoveries.
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Yeah, that rubbed me the wrong way didn't sit too well with me too.

YankeeFan · Jan 24, 2014

Dick Whitman said:

The outing doesn't bother me as much as treating the outing as the cherry on top of all the other deceptions, causing a "chill" to go up the writer's spine. I understand the instinct to think, "Holy shit, another discrepancy between public and private life!" But he should have pushed through that and realized that it wasn't of a kind with the other discoveries.
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Yes. He found a unicorn. He found a leprechaun at the end of the rainbow.

She was treated like the bearded lady at the sideshow. Come, look at the freak I found.

jr/shotglass · Jan 24, 2014

I'm 110% with you on that. It was tone-deaf.

YankeeFan · Jan 24, 2014

because unlike just about everything else in my eyes, this isn’t black-and-white—about the reporter-subject agreement. If I’m hanging out with a subject and he says, “I want to show you something in my basement, but you can’t tell anybody about it,” I would probably say yes. Then we go down to the basement and he shows me something horrible—a torture chamber, a body, whatever. I think I’m probably breaking our agreement. I’m probably calling the cops and writing about the arrest.

http://gangrey.com/?p=5260
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Did Caleb discover something horrible?

Did he make an agreement with Dr. V, and subsequently violate that agreement?

MisterCreosote · Jan 24, 2014

YankeeFan said:

MC, if you want to argue that we had a "national conversation" in light of Islan Nettles murder, go ahead and say so.

I will argue it.

No one is in custody for her murder.

Her name is not nearly as recognizable as Matthew Shepard's.

The cause to seek justice for Shepard, or Trayvon Martin, was taken up broadly, by people outside the gay, and/or African-American community. I see very little effort outside the small trans community to seek justice for Islan.
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No one is in custody for Nettles' death because the police can't fucking figure out which of two black guys did it, because they "look alike." You want to blame that on a lack of activism?

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