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Ed Werder doesn't like women helping women

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by MeanGreenATO, Jun 18, 2018.

  1. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    I don't know what happens between the classroom and the workplace. I would just guess that of the classes I've taught, they've been probably 80 percent female on average. I've never been in a press box or a news conference or a workplace that's 80 percent female. Somehow, they're not completing the journey.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  3. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I was going to chime in with that, and not even half-joking. I'm in university communications and deal with far more women than men on a daily basis, including my boss and my boss' boss.

    I'm on a search committee for a new communications position on campus, we just whittled 44 resumes down to nine for phone interviews and all nine are women (and it's a gender-neutral gig, not like running PR for the women's studies department). Only a few men applied and none came close to making the cut. And this is the second search committee I've been on where that has been the case.

    To me, it's a matter of keeping your options open out of college and I'll paint with a broad brush and say that women might be better at that. Like you said, men want the sports gig and they'll do whatever it takes. It's simultaneously admirable and dangerous, from a long-term career perspective.
     
  4. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    You have more insight at the upper levels of the business than I do. How is it biased up there? Not the athletes, but the organizations themselves. ESPN seems to employ a lot of women; indeed, put a lot of effort into hiring and developing women. How's it biased?
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Who had Fox News winning the gender parity competition? Not I!

    I think you'll see these numbers change dramatically in ten years. Even in sports. (Though perhaps not to your liking.)

    As I've written...the hard-left shift is coming. The world you hope to see...you're largely gonna see. Even if Trump wins four more years, which I don't expect.
     
  6. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    All I see is a shift to the hard right, but if what you think will happen actually happens, it will be in response to today, the way today is a response to a black president.
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Roger Ailes.
     
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  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Sort of telling that equal representation in the workplace is seen as a function of the "hard left."
     
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  9. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    To me, this hard right shift is the equivalent of a car going up a hill while descending down a mountain. The social institutions have largely changed, and they'll keep changing. Without being too rude, the next 10-15 years will draw down the pool of most conservative voters and younger generations - even evangelical Christians - are going left. They're disgusted with Baby Boomers. Maybe by 2035. 2040 at the latest. But I think it's only 2030 before we see big, big changes.
     
  10. exmediahack

    exmediahack Well-Known Member

    I was very pig-headed for the decade I was in sports before I left for news. Always looked at it like minor-league baseball... I was very good at the game but, apparently, not good enough to make it to the show.

    At least in TV sports when I was in it -- female and minority candidates often were like left-handed pitchers. Managers were falling over themselves to try and hire them.

    A good part of why I left -- there's hardly any male reporters in TV news and that means not many middle-aged male news anchors, regardless of heritage, are left.
     
  11. exmediahack

    exmediahack Well-Known Member

    Is going into journalism *still* a rich kid's path?

    I know a ton of young people - male or female - making that $27k on their first job after graduation from Medill or Mizzou or Boston U - who are still living off mom/dad. They live in the newest condos and drive late-model SUVs... on that $957 take-home pay every two weeks.

    That's where I think the bigger concern in journalism (sports and news) is. Far too many of my colleagues are underpaid but still don't really *struggle* like so many of our viewers or readers.
     
  12. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    I think we do a decent job, and I think we'd like to do better. We have a female editor in chief of our magazine. Two of the four senior deputy editors are women. Our creative director/head of design is a woman. Five of our nine senior editors are women. Seven of our senior writers are women. Our director of photography is a woman.

    I would also argue you can't use ESPN as a barometer for this, because Disney actually cares more than most places about it.

    I love Sports Illustrated, really respect the executive editor, and want to see them do well under new ownership. They have hired more women in recent years who, like Charlotte, are very good at a lot of different things. Vrentas. Apstein. Niesen. Kaplan (who left to work for ESPN).

    So let's say SI is doing better. Not great, but better. I'd argue The Ringer has done well at giving women opportunities at big jobs. Some of their most prominent people are women. Malory Rubin. Katie Baker. Juliet Litman. Say what you will about Bill Simmons, but I've always heard he has been a super supportive boss when it comes to offering jobs to women and supporting them once they get them.

    Yet ... how is The Athletic doing? I count nine women out of 101 hires on their site. So about 8 percent of the jobs at the hottest sports writing start up are going to women. How will Ed Werber break it to his class that the one place currently hiring sportswriters is only hiring 92 percent men?

    Why, considering those numbers, would women who already work in sports journalism want to encourage other women to see if they might be right for a job opening?

    Not give them jobs, as someone like Charlotte Wilder has no hiring power. But encourage them to apply?
     
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