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Erin Andrews and the Cubs locker room: Discuss

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by hondo, Jul 31, 2008.

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  1. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    Ya know, Notepad, I've heard that theory before and it's totally wrong. If you're not getting stories, it's not because of Erin Andrews. It's because of you.

    The idea that she in any way affects the way you do your job is laughable. In 2004, while I was covering the Stanley Cup Final for CBC, she was covering it for ABC. Did her presence prevent me or anyone else from getting any information? Please. Oh sure, some of the Lightning/Flames players would joke, "Why do I have to talk to you instead of her?" and laugh, but that lasted for what, 10 seconds?

    If the players respect you and trust you, you'll get whatever you need. If they don't, well you sit there and blame someone else, I guess.

    As for this story, it's tough because it's one day in her life. Is she like this all the time? Then we have a problem. I remember Butch Huskey running into a (male) reporter he hadn't seen since his minor-league days and giving him a big hug in the Red Sox clubhouse. The guy was embarrassed about it since it happened in front of everyone, but no one made a big deal about it because it was a one-time thing.

    I haven't seen her in years, but the Erin Andrews I knew worked really hard to get where she is. She was a nice person who asked a lot of questions to try to get better, and, in return, once fed me a story that made me look good. As Smasher says, she's not Howard Cosell, but she's made a real good career for herself and didn't backstab anyone else to get there. (In fact, Sam Ryan, who worked that series with her, was absolutely brutal to Erin.)

    It's possible she's changed. I hope not. But a lot of this is about jealousy and Notepad's post proves it.
     
    Elliotte Friedman, Aug 1, 2008
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  2. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    Aside from the possibility she touched a player's bicep, everything in here is one person's snide/cynical/sexist interpretation of how Ms. Andrews behaved.
    Indeed, sometimes her dress gets daring from a "fashion-forward" standpoint, but I've rarely seen her in too-revealing mode.
    So she talked to a guy sitting on a sofa? This is an issue. Are you kidding?
     
    Twoback, Aug 1, 2008
    #158
  3. broadway joe

    broadway joe Guest


    A column is opinion, yes, but it can almost always be improved by actual reporting. That's often forgotten, which is why we have so much talk-radio style blather passing as journalism these days. Sure, Nadel can just watch Andrews walk around and then write about how unprofessional he thinks she is, but the column could only have been helped by actually attempting to find out what her thoughts were on the matter, which would have been easy to do since he was apparently standing right there in the clubhouse with her. It was just a weak, lazy effort. What he wrote about her was essentially a message board post, not a solid newspaper column.
     
    broadway joe, Aug 1, 2008
    #159
  4. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    That Sun-Times blog entry is an embarrassment -- moreso even than Nadel's column, I'd argue. I'd be re-evaluating my worth to my news organization if these sorts of things were required.
     
    playthrough, Aug 1, 2008
    #160
  5. Singapore Slim

    Singapore Slim Member

    I have to laugh at the "her looks didn't hurt her" comments.

    How did they help her? She's a sideline reporter. There's not a lot of space to move on up. Sure, she's the most famous sideline reporter out there thanks to leering blog types, but there aren't a lot of rungs on this ladder. EF, I don't mean to put the profession down; but writers can get book deals, TV/radio gigs, etc. She's still in pretty much the same role she was five years ago.

    Now, the looks helped her to be more famous than anyone else on the beat, but that doesn't really have anything to do with her job.

    She's just in an absolute no-win situation.
     
    Singapore Slim, Aug 1, 2008
    #161
  6. WaylonJennings

    WaylonJennings Guest

    Baseball writers are not, BTW, coming off too great in this whole thing.

    Erin is around college sports all year long. How many, "Oh my God, Erin Andrews was here yesterday! IN A SKIRT!!!!!!!" columns/blog entires/message board posts out of us?
     
    WaylonJennings, Aug 1, 2008
    #162
  7. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    She should not have touched his biceps.

    It was a colossal reach to make this a column. It might have functioned much better as a note, if that...
     
    Mizzougrad96, Aug 1, 2008
    #163
  8. Medial Collateral

    Medial Collateral Member

    Gotta be like Joker in Dark Knight and have no rules.

    Batman had one rule and you (who saw the movie) know that hamstrung him.

    The world's a difference place. It's time for total journalistic anarchy...
     
    Medial Collateral, Aug 1, 2008
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  9. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Let's also not forget about the female reporter who once asked Mike Piazza which player garnishes the biggest wood or something like that.

    She now co-anchors The Today Show.
     
    Mizzougrad96, Aug 1, 2008
    #165
  10. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    That cellphone pic of Andrews dovetails nicely with the blog title, "Inside the Cubs" -- a place most of us would never want to be.
     
    goalmouth, Aug 1, 2008
    #166
  11. Medial Collateral

    Medial Collateral Member

    Instead, she should have said: "It looks like a biceps. Only smaller."
     
    Medial Collateral, Aug 1, 2008
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  12. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I've seen women sexually harassed in the locker room and I've seen women shamelessly flirt with players.

    The former happens about 1,000 times more often than the latter.
     
    Mizzougrad96, Aug 1, 2008
    #168
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