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Even The Wolf likely can't clean up Harvey Weinstein's pending troubles

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Double Down, Oct 5, 2017.

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  1. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    I read it differently.

    Every male to ever walk the earth is then guilty of attempted third degree sexual abuse.
     
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  2. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    you have something in common with Aziz Ansari, then
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I can pretty confidently say I have never tried to pull a woman's hand to my dick "five to seven times" after she pulled it away.

    And it doesn't matter. The law says what it says. If we have learned anything the last four months, it should be that if "[e]very male to walk the earth" has been guilty of something, previously, that does not make it OK.

    The Washington Post writes that this does fit most legal or common sense definitions of sexual assault. But it fits the New York definition of third-degree sexual abuse. I am infinitely more interested in what the New York statute says about it than I am the instinct of an op-ed writer in the Washington Post.
     
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  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    He and I have opposite problems with signals.
     
  5. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    No, but I bet you've tried to touch a tit and have been stopped. Tried to unbutton her pants and have been stopped. Probably tried again later and were stopped. Wouldn't all these scenarios fall under the definition of third degree sexual abuse in New York?
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    And if someone wrote a piece in which someone accused me of such behavior and called it "sexual assault," it would be not only fair, but practically compulsory, for the Washington Post, Atlantic, New York Times, and others to apply law to alleged facts.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I'm sitting here talking to this man but nothing related to what's on his mind and he's over here while he's answering my questions pulling me over like he has done this a million times and grabs me and pulls me over to him to the windowsill and tries to kiss me and just didn't ask me or nothing. And I was just really shocked. And I pulled away. That was the first time I pulled away. I said, "No." I said, "What are you doing?"
    ...
    And they were long. They were down to my knees. They were long, dressy culottes. And he had his hand up, going up to my middle pelvic area, and he was kissing me on the neck, you know, and trying to kiss me on the lips and I wouldn't let him. And then I backed back. I said, "Stop it. You know, I'm not this kind of girl." I mean. And it still -- and then I ran right over to where the couch was. I thought what am I going to do? I was trying to collect my thoughts. I did not know what to do. I was trying to collect my thoughts. I did not know what to do. After the second time -- after the first time, I had rebuffed him. And then when I got over there and I kind of sat right there by the end of the couch on the -- seemed like on the armchair part. And the next thing you know it, I turn around because he was kind of back over here, and he come over there, pulled his pants down, sat down and asked me to perform oral sex.
    ...
    Absolutely, but he still wanted me to do it. Three times he tried to make me do it against my will. I would say so after the first time of rejection, yes, he did.
     
  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    If I may generalize, it seems as if men are great students of body language when it’s time to mind-read an athlete. But when it’s time to maybe stop putting their hands and other parts on women, we are all just bumbling clueless blind people.

    We’ve been trained to tell ourselves we just can’t poasibly understand these subtle clues.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    The New York Times, May 26, 2017:

    Opinion | The Awkward Body Language of Donald Trump

    With Trump, struts, scowls and pouts reveal every bit as much as what tumbles from his lips, which is a lot less trustworthy. His words can be counterfeit. His gestures are genuine. So it only makes sense that we lean on them for the narrative of his post-truth presidency(.)

    The New York Times, January 15, 2018:

    Opinion | Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader.

    (T)he solution to these problems does not begin with women torching men for failing to understand their “nonverbal cues.” It is for women to be more verbal. It’s to say, “This is what turns me on.” It’s to say, “I don’t want to do that.” And, yes, sometimes it means saying goodbye.
     
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  10. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    California SB 967
    Bill Text - SB-967 Student safety: sexual assault.
    (1) An affirmative consent standard in the determination of whether consent was given by both parties to sexual activity. “Affirmative consent” means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. It is the responsibility of each person involved in the sexual activity to ensure that he or she has the affirmative consent of the other or others to engage in the sexual activity. Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent. Affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity and can be revoked at any time. The existence of a dating relationship between the persons involved, or the fact of past sexual relations between them, should never by itself be assumed to be an indicator of consent.

    If a college couple have sex, but do not actively affirm each step, it is considered sexual assault.

    May I touch your boob?
    Yes.
    May I touch your penis?
    Yes.
    May I stick my penis into your vagina?
    Yes. (or an enthusiastic nod)
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Take it up with the California legislature.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Haven't college kids been thrown out of school, based on stories that are no worse than the Ansari story, and with a similar lack of evidence?
     
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