Ferguson / Staten Island Decisions -- No Indictments

RickStain · Nov 25, 2014

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I had plans in St. Louis today that I'm glad I cancelled. Would have gotten caught right in the middle of the highways being blocked by protestors.

Spartan Squad · Nov 25, 2014

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Spartan Squad said:

You need to read why he said he didn't have a taser. That is far more telling than the shooting itself.
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"We only have a select amount," Wilson testified. "Usually there is one available, but I usually elect not to carry one. It is not the most comfortable thing. They are very large; I don't have a lot of room in the front for it to be positioned."
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I'm calling bull on it being too bulky to carry. To many cops seem to handle it just fine. Also, why does this department only have one available? Why aren't there one for every other cop at least?

How about scraping one of their anti mine vehicles and using the money on a device that won't lead to riots over a teen being shot?

SnarkShark · Nov 25, 2014

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http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side

So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.

Every bullshit detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery.
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Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true.

But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story.
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Double Down · Nov 25, 2014

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I'm sorry, but Johnson's testimony to the GJ just seems so much more believable than Wilson's sack of lies.

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7287443/dorian-johnson-story

I absolutely believe Wilson, in the end, blew up the situation because he felt disrespected. And he ultimately killed Brown because of it.

LongTimeListener · Nov 25, 2014

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Double Down said:

I'm sorry, but Johnson's testimony to the GJ just seems so much more believable than Wilson's sack of lies.

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7287443/dorian-johnson-story

I absolutely believe Wilson, in the end, blew up the situation because he felt disrespected. And he ultimately killed Brown because of it.
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No. Cop is always right except for the times we know he isn't.

SnarkShark · Nov 25, 2014

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The problem with Johnson's credibility, however, was that he lied about Brown's hands being up in August.

StaggerLee · Nov 25, 2014

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Double Down said:

I'm sorry, but Johnson's testimony to the GJ just seems so much more believable than Wilson's sack of lies.

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7287443/dorian-johnson-story

I absolutely believe Wilson, in the end, blew up the situation because he felt disrespected. And he ultimately killed Brown because of it.
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If you honestly believe that, then you made up your mind a long time ago and didn't bother even looking at the evidence.

LongTimeListener · Nov 25, 2014

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SnarkShark said:

The problem with Johnson's credibility, however, was that he lied about Brown's hands being up in August.
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Lied?

Or his eyewitness account was wrong?

I would hope one point we can all agree on after this is that people can tell a version of the same event, and be telling it in complete good faith, and have some minor or major details wrong.

Mr. Sunshine · Nov 25, 2014

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StaggerLee said:

Double Down said:

I'm sorry, but Johnson's testimony to the GJ just seems so much more believable than Wilson's sack of lies.

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7287443/dorian-johnson-story

I absolutely believe Wilson, in the end, blew up the situation because he felt disrespected. And he ultimately killed Brown because of it.
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If you honestly believe that, then you made up your mind a long time ago and didn't bother even looking at the evidence.
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StaggerLee · Nov 25, 2014

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SnarkShark said:

The problem with Johnson's credibility, however, was that he lied about Brown's hands being up in August.
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He misspoke about that, and he also misspoke in his grand jury testimony about Brown having any part of his body in the car. He says in his testimony that Brown's hands never went inside the police car, yet they found Brown's blood inside the vehicle.

Johnson also confirms Wilson's testimony that Brown handed him the cigarillos at one point during the scuffle.

StaggerLee · Nov 25, 2014

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LongTimeListener said:

SnarkShark said:

The problem with Johnson's credibility, however, was that he lied about Brown's hands being up in August.
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Lied?

Or his eyewitness account was wrong?

I would hope one point we can all agree on after this is that people can tell a version of the same event, and be telling it in complete good faith, and have some minor or major details wrong.
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No doubt, but that was a pretty big detail, one that still has protestors walking down the street yelling "Hands Up! Don't Shoot."

It painted a completely different picture than the one that the autopsy showed.

SnarkShark · Nov 25, 2014

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LongTimeListener said:

SnarkShark said:

The problem with Johnson's credibility, however, was that he lied about Brown's hands being up in August.
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Lied?

Or his eyewitness account was wrong?

I would hope one point we can all agree on after this is that people can tell a version of the same event, and be telling it in complete good faith, and have some minor or major details wrong.
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That's a major fucking detail. I think he lied.

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