Ferguson / Staten Island Decisions -- No Indictments

LongTimeListener · Nov 26, 2014

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Xan -- Wilson says Brown told him to go fuck himself.

Johnson says Brown said nothing and it was Wilson who escalated the situation verbally.

So Wilson's automatically right?

Songbird · Nov 26, 2014

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I don't think I can give Mike the benefit of that doubt considering what he just did at the grocery store. He was king of the world and ain't no sucka pig gonna tell ME where to walk on my turf. Doesn't pass my smell test, that the cop just stumbled upon these nice fellas looking to pick a fight.

bigpern23 · Nov 26, 2014

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Songbird said:

Mike Brown was 0 for 2 in the same fucking at-bat.

Strong-armed the grocer for the cigarellos. Strike 1.

“I asked [Brown], I looked at him, actually, looked at him for a while and stared at him because the times when I did meet him before that day, he didn’t strike me as a person who would do anything like that. … He was basically laughing it off, be cool, be calm, stuff like that, laughing it off, but in my head I’m like, I can’t be calm, I can’t be cool because I know what just happened and we were on camera,” Johnson said.
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Told Wilson to go fuck himself when told to walk on the sidewalk. Strike 2.

“It was a very unusual and not expected response from a simple request,” Wilson told the grand jury.
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It's Mike Brown who felt like he could kick the world's ass that day, and yet Rick Stain, you're saying it's some rogue cop who picked a fight.

I don't know if I can believe that, especially when the cop had just come from the scene of a choking 2-month-old. It goes against human nature, to be in that kind of a scene, to all of a sudden switch to Provocateur of the Law. I don't buy it.
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To be fair, Johnson said Brown swiped the cigarillos and then brushed past the cashier as they left. Not sure that constitutes "strong arming."

Also, you're taking Wilson's word for it that he very politely asked the boys to move to the sidewalk, was told "Fuck what you have to say," and then politely replied, "What's wrong with the sidewalk?" I suspect the truth lies somewhere between Wilson's account and Johnson's account.

bigpern23 · Nov 26, 2014

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Facebook post by Ben Watson, NFL tight end:

Benjamin Watson
At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope.
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Songbird · Nov 26, 2014

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The Korean tried to step up and the video shows what happened. That's what I'm referencing.

Is it beyond a reasonable doubt to think Mike wasn't feeling his oats at that point and thought he could flap his gums to a cop without repercussions? The part that gets me is that Wilson put his car in reverse and that's where it all began. Something was said. By whom first? Well, who knows. But a cop ain't puttin' that shit in reverse without proper motivation. That's what I think.

RickStain · Nov 26, 2014

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People looking to pick fights don't usually end up finding nuns to fight with. Brown was of course in the wrong. But that doesn't put summary execution on the table, nor does it justify the handling by the local authorities.

Hokie_pokie · Nov 26, 2014

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RickStain said:

But also he is a racist liar who picked a fight, panicked, and lied through his teeth about it.
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Well fuck, man, I guess that's settled.

Mr. Sunshine · Nov 26, 2014

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RickStain said:

Even if Wilson's story is not a total fabrication based on a lifetime of insulating himself in a racist culture, the way the investigation was handled was a complete sham and revealed deep flaws in the local government.

But also he is a racist liar who picked a fight, panicked, and lied through his teeth about it.
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Wrong site.

Mr. Sunshine · Nov 26, 2014

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bigpern23 said:

Facebook post by Ben Watson, NFL tight end:

Benjamin Watson
At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope.
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Thoughtful stuff. Not your average FB post.

RickStain · Nov 26, 2014

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Hokie_pokie said:

RickStain said:

But also he is a racist liar who picked a fight, panicked, and lied through his teeth about it.
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Well fuck, man, I guess that's settled.
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The testimony pretty much sealed it. That was practically a parody of what a super-racist, lying cop would say. I'm surprised he didn't quote Brown in a heavy African accent.

Boom_70 · Nov 26, 2014

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Mr. Sunshine said:

I was pulled over once for no apparent reason. Was told I was being stopped because I was too close to the cop car on the side of the Interstate when I passed by. All of a sudden, another cop shows up and they start asking me a bunch of personal questions. Eventually, they ask to search my vehicle. I say there's no reason to. Cop #1 then calls in for the K-9 unit. I finally acquiesce to this bullshit and spend 15 minutes on the side of the road while they go through my car. Total nonsense from a couple power-tripping assholes that pissed me off. But I never thought to attack one of them because being treated unfairly is bad, but not nearly as bad as what happens when you attack an authority figure who is carrying a gun.

You can use all the big words you want, Rick, but it's assinine to think that bad things are not going to happen WHEN YOU ATTACK A COP. On a related note, go out tonight and attack one. See what happens. You might find they're not as racist as you think.
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How could they search your vehicle with no probable cause? You needed to ask them if your were free to go right at the beginning. They can't detain you for no reason.

Mr. Sunshine · Nov 26, 2014

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Boom_70 said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

I was pulled over once for no apparent reason. Was told I was being stopped because I was too close to the cop car on the side of the Interstate when I passed by. All of a sudden, another cop shows up and they start asking me a bunch of personal questions. Eventually, they ask to search my vehicle. I say there's no reason to. Cop #1 then calls in for the K-9 unit. I finally acquiesce to this bullshit and spend 15 minutes on the side of the road while they go through my car. Total nonsense from a couple power-tripping assholes that pissed me off. But I never thought to attack one of them because being treated unfairly is bad, but not nearly as bad as what happens when you attack an authority figure who is carrying a gun.

You can use all the big words you want, Rick, but it's assinine to think that bad things are not going to happen WHEN YOU ATTACK A COP. On a related note, go out tonight and attack one. See what happens. You might find they're not as racist as you think.
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How could they search your vehicle with no probable cause? You needed to ask them if your were free to go right at the beginning. They can't detain you for no reason.
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I should have attacked.

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