Ferguson / Staten Island Decisions -- No Indictments

old_tony · Nov 26, 2014

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LongTimeListener said:

YankeeFan said:

Wilson's testimony was not contradicted by the forensic evidence.
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It very much was. His distances were that Brown ran 20-30 feet and then turned around and came toward him 10 feet ... but Brown died 150 feet from the car.

Other testimony (about Brown getting his hands on the gun and his blood on Wilson) couldn't be contradicted because that evidence was not taken in the first place. Mostly that's where the fix came in. Remember, we're not just talking about a general idea of a racist brutal white police force -- there is a long documented history of it in Ferguson, with Wilson's superiors (who were in charge of the scene) having been part of that culture for quite some time.
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Brown had traces of gun powder on his hands, and Brown's blood was in the car.

RickStain · Nov 26, 2014

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Mr. Sunshine said:

Boom_70 said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

I was pulled over once for no apparent reason. Was told I was being stopped because I was too close to the cop car on the side of the Interstate when I passed by. All of a sudden, another cop shows up and they start asking me a bunch of personal questions. Eventually, they ask to search my vehicle. I say there's no reason to. Cop #1 then calls in for the K-9 unit. I finally acquiesce to this bullshit and spend 15 minutes on the side of the road while they go through my car. Total nonsense from a couple power-tripping assholes that pissed me off. But I never thought to attack one of them because being treated unfairly is bad, but not nearly as bad as what happens when you attack an authority figure who is carrying a gun.

You can use all the big words you want, Rick, but it's assinine to think that bad things are not going to happen WHEN YOU ATTACK A COP. On a related note, go out tonight and attack one. See what happens. You might find they're not as racist as you think.
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How could they search your vehicle with no probable cause? You needed to ask them if your were free to go right at the beginning. They can't detain you for no reason.
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I should have attacked.
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Try bleeding on his shirt.

Baron Scicluna · Nov 26, 2014

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Stoney said:

Boom_70 said:

Wilson should have never done that interview. He comes across as a squarely mall cop that should have never been allowed to carry a gun.

Gave off a weird vibe. Never really looked Stepanopoulis in the eye.
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I just watched it and basically agree. Wilson is damn lucky he'll never face cross examination at trial. he would have gotten scorched. Unfortunately Stephanopolis never grilled him about the discrepancies and gems of illogic in his story.

Wilson has almost single-handedly flipped my position in the last day. I was pretty much buying into the prosecutor's reasoning when the GJ findings were announced. But now after reading the self-serving fantasy-like account he gave, and watching him interview, my general impression is that this guy is probably lying his ass off.
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Wilson wouldn't have to face cross-examination if he doesn't testify at the trial. His lawyer, I would assume, wouldn't call him up.

Hokie_pokie · Nov 26, 2014

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Mr. Sunshine said:

Boom_70 said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

I was pulled over once for no apparent reason. Was told I was being stopped because I was too close to the cop car on the side of the Interstate when I passed by. All of a sudden, another cop shows up and they start asking me a bunch of personal questions. Eventually, they ask to search my vehicle. I say there's no reason to. Cop #1 then calls in for the K-9 unit. I finally acquiesce to this bullshit and spend 15 minutes on the side of the road while they go through my car. Total nonsense from a couple power-tripping assholes that pissed me off. But I never thought to attack one of them because being treated unfairly is bad, but not nearly as bad as what happens when you attack an authority figure who is carrying a gun.

You can use all the big words you want, Rick, but it's assinine to think that bad things are not going to happen WHEN YOU ATTACK A COP. On a related note, go out tonight and attack one. See what happens. You might find they're not as racist as you think.
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How could they search your vehicle with no probable cause? You needed to ask them if your were free to go right at the beginning. They can't detain you for no reason.
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I should have attacked.
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There's a bit of difference between exercising one's constitutional rights and physically attacking a police officer.

Although I suppose if you're black and live in Ferguson, Missouri, doing either is likely to wind up with you being shot to death.

champ_kind · Nov 26, 2014

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Songbird said:

I don't think I can give Mike the benefit of that doubt considering what he just did at the grocery store. He was king of the world and ain't no sucka pig gonna tell ME where to walk on my turf. Doesn't pass my smell test, that the cop just stumbled upon these nice fellas looking to pick a fight.
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Songbird, are you are you aware how much bias is inherent in your imagining what Brown's thoughts must have been?

Was it totally stupid to do anything but try to be on a cop's good side after he'd just committed a crime? Of course.

There seems to be a lot of disconnect in the discussion. Someone can argue that a shooter killing someone 150 feet away is probably not justified in claiming he feared for his life. The person making that argument isn't necessarily claiming the guy who got shot was a "gentle giant" and didn't just commit a crime.

Also interesting that those on this board who lean conservative are totally OK with automatically siding with the official story from government representatives over the story of "the people." And vice versa.

RickStain · Nov 26, 2014

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It does fascinate me how much certain people don't like governmental power until it's applied against black people.

Mr. Sunshine · Nov 26, 2014

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Hokie_pokie said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

Boom_70 said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

I was pulled over once for no apparent reason. Was told I was being stopped because I was too close to the cop car on the side of the Interstate when I passed by. All of a sudden, another cop shows up and they start asking me a bunch of personal questions. Eventually, they ask to search my vehicle. I say there's no reason to. Cop #1 then calls in for the K-9 unit. I finally acquiesce to this bullshit and spend 15 minutes on the side of the road while they go through my car. Total nonsense from a couple power-tripping assholes that pissed me off. But I never thought to attack one of them because being treated unfairly is bad, but not nearly as bad as what happens when you attack an authority figure who is carrying a gun.

You can use all the big words you want, Rick, but it's assinine to think that bad things are not going to happen WHEN YOU ATTACK A COP. On a related note, go out tonight and attack one. See what happens. You might find they're not as racist as you think.
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How could they search your vehicle with no probable cause? You needed to ask them if your were free to go right at the beginning. They can't detain you for no reason.
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I should have attacked.
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There's a bit of difference between exercising one's constitutional rights and physically attacking a police officer.

Although I suppose if you're black and live in Ferguson, Missouri, doing either is likely to wind up with you being shot to death.
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Can't really do either when two cops have you pulled over on a lonely stretch of highway 500 miles from home.

Boom_70 · Nov 26, 2014

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champ_kind said:

Songbird said:

I don't think I can give Mike the benefit of that doubt considering what he just did at the grocery store. He was king of the world and ain't no sucka pig gonna tell ME where to walk on my turf. Doesn't pass my smell test, that the cop just stumbled upon these nice fellas looking to pick a fight.
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Songbird, are you are you aware how much bias is inherent in your imagining what Brown's thoughts must have been?

Was it totally stupid to do anything but try to be on a cop's good side after he'd just committed a crime? Of course.

There seems to be a lot of disconnect in the discussion. Someone can argue that a shooter killing someone 150 feet away is probably not justified in claiming he feared for his life. The person making that argument isn't necessarily claiming the guy who got shot was a "gentle giant" and didn't just commit a crime.

Also interesting that those on this board who lean conservative are totally OK with automatically siding with the official story from government representatives over the story of "the people." And vice versa.
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Wouldn't the eye witnesses who testified be "the people"

RickStain · Nov 26, 2014

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You should have asked the cops if you could record the encounter.

Mr. Sunshine · Dec 15, 2014

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RickStain said:

It does fascinate me how much certain people don't like governmental power until it's applied against black people.
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Boom_70 · Nov 26, 2014

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Mr. Sunshine said:

Hokie_pokie said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

Boom_70 said:

Mr. Sunshine said:

I was pulled over once for no apparent reason. Was told I was being stopped because I was too close to the cop car on the side of the Interstate when I passed by. All of a sudden, another cop shows up and they start asking me a bunch of personal questions. Eventually, they ask to search my vehicle. I say there's no reason to. Cop #1 then calls in for the K-9 unit. I finally acquiesce to this bullshit and spend 15 minutes on the side of the road while they go through my car. Total nonsense from a couple power-tripping assholes that pissed me off. But I never thought to attack one of them because being treated unfairly is bad, but not nearly as bad as what happens when you attack an authority figure who is carrying a gun.

You can use all the big words you want, Rick, but it's assinine to think that bad things are not going to happen WHEN YOU ATTACK A COP. On a related note, go out tonight and attack one. See what happens. You might find they're not as racist as you think.
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How could they search your vehicle with no probable cause? You needed to ask them if your were free to go right at the beginning. They can't detain you for no reason.
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I should have attacked.
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There's a bit of difference between exercising one's constitutional rights and physically attacking a police officer.

Although I suppose if you're black and live in Ferguson, Missouri, doing either is likely to wind up with you being shot to death.
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Can't really do either when two cops have you pulled over on a lonely stretch of highway 500 miles from home.
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Pussy

Songbird · Nov 26, 2014

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champ_kind said:

Songbird said:

I don't think I can give Mike the benefit of that doubt considering what he just did at the grocery store. He was king of the world and ain't no sucka pig gonna tell ME where to walk on my turf. Doesn't pass my smell test, that the cop just stumbled upon these nice fellas looking to pick a fight.
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Songbird, are you are you aware how much bias is inherent in your imagining what Brown's thoughts must have been?

Was it totally stupid to do anything but try to be on a cop's good side after he'd just committed a crime? Of course.
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And yet something happened (read: was said) that made the cop put his car in reverse.

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