Ferguson / Staten Island Decisions -- No Indictments

Boom_70 · Nov 24, 2014

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Do you think anyone who is focused on violence is watching Obama at this time?

outofplace · Nov 24, 2014

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schiezainc said:

I know it's not popular to say this but I feel a sense of relief when President Obama addresses the nation on matters like this Ferguson decision. I don't agree with all his decisions but it's nice to have confidence in my Commander in Chief. I would vote for him again in 2016 if he could run.
(End of political discussions. I promise)
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You can't possibly think you can post that and think it is the end of the political discussion. It never should have started. This story is too important for the usual bullshit to get this thread shut down. It was already starting to lean that way, but that doesn't excuse this post at all.

outofplace · Nov 24, 2014

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Boom_70 said:

Do you think anyone who is focused on violence is watching Obama at this time?
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I just wonder how many of the people getting violent were just looking for an excuse.

exmediahack · Nov 24, 2014

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They're now building fires all throughout Ferguson to keep people warm. Considerate on a cold night.

Stoney · Nov 24, 2014

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LongTimeListener said:

franticscribe said:

Michael_ Gee said:

Did anyone seriously think there would be an indictment? This cake has been baked since day one. No way the prosecutors can bring a case against the cop without ending their own political careers.
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That's BS. Cops get charged with crimes on a regular basis across the country. Does it create an awkward relationship between prosecutors and police when it happens? Yes. But prosecutors - at least the good ones - are interested in the truth. From everything I've read or seen about this case, and I certainly didn't see as much the grand jury, the question of whether or not the officer's actions were unjustified was going to be very close.
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Certainly helped Wilson that the prosecutor comes from a long line of cops (he wanted to be one himself but had a disability that prevented it). In this prosecutor's previous best-known case, a grand jury declined to indict two police officers for shooting two black men who the officers said drove the car toward them, despite forensic evidence showing the car never moved. Later reporting found that the prosecutor had lied about what witnesses told him and thus the case he presented.
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That's interesting info but, you know, this was a grand jury decision. The prosecutor ain't the one who made the final call here.

heyabbott · Nov 24, 2014

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Self fulfilling? 500 cameras watching 700 people and waiting for them to do something

MileHigh · Nov 24, 2014

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Everyone take a deep breath and stop with the attacks and keep it on the topic at hand. I know that's difficult for a lot of you and it's easy to pull the trigger, but check yourselves, please.

Chef2 · Nov 24, 2014

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Twitter is a cest pool.

MileHigh · Nov 24, 2014

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Chef2 said:

Twitter is a cest pool.
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Has been since its birth.

doctorquant · Nov 24, 2014

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As I understand it, prosecutor willl release all evidence grand jury considered. Had Wilson been indicted, wouldn't have been permissible, but since no indictment was forthcoming ... Perhaps we could/should dial back all of our certainty until we've had a chance to check that stuff out.

LongTimeListener · Nov 24, 2014

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Stoney said:

LongTimeListener said:

franticscribe said:

Michael_ Gee said:

Did anyone seriously think there would be an indictment? This cake has been baked since day one. No way the prosecutors can bring a case against the cop without ending their own political careers.
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That's BS. Cops get charged with crimes on a regular basis across the country. Does it create an awkward relationship between prosecutors and police when it happens? Yes. But prosecutors - at least the good ones - are interested in the truth. From everything I've read or seen about this case, and I certainly didn't see as much the grand jury, the question of whether or not the officer's actions were unjustified was going to be very close.
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Certainly helped Wilson that the prosecutor comes from a long line of cops (he wanted to be one himself but had a disability that prevented it). In this prosecutor's previous best-known case, a grand jury declined to indict two police officers for shooting two black men who the officers said drove the car toward them, despite forensic evidence showing the car never moved. Later reporting found that the prosecutor had lied about what witnesses told him and thus the case he presented.
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That's interesting info but, you know, this was a grand jury decision. The prosecutor ain't the one who made the final call here.
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Prosecutor has enormous influence in a grand jury setting. He writes the script and directs the play. He decides what is and isn't worth examining. There's no "other side."

If the prosecutor is inclined to be on the cops' side, he can present the case as such. That's always a concern, but with this case in particular the prosecutor has a solid history of being on the cops' side. That's why there were calls and petitions to replace him before the case began.

Boom_70 · Dec 15, 2014

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The Seasons Greetings banner in front of Ferguson PD is a nice ironic touch.

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