Forget bad beats ...

I wrote that it was a rag -- I'm usually good a remembering big hands but all I know was that the card still left me with the best hand.

 

Double guts? After the flop comes, if he puts the two on sets he needs a jack alone to win the hand. Unless AAA and QQQ slowplayed, then he's an idiot for staying in the hand.

Flop is Qc,9h,Ad

What part of that did K10 of clubs hit?

 

My bad......He's got the Jack, and I can see either one of those other two (or even both) slow-playing it.....You know damn well both guys think their set is good......no danger of flush draw (unless you catch runner-runner like K10 did).....They don't want the other two to go anywhere.

 

If you are the one holding a set of Ace's -- please let go.

Thank you.

 

Even if you are the guy in last place, which in this case is the with queens full...shit, there are three hands that beat you.....pocket aces, ace-board, or the royal flush.

No damn way is anybody getting out of that hand after the river.

 

Some times you have to pay out. You just have to.
If I've got those queens full, I'm paying out. I have to.
The only thing that's beating me are aces or a straight flush. I've got to pay to see that.
Too many people worry about making great laydowns. Sometimes you have to pay out in an unlucky hand.

 

Best post of the thread.

 

Let's say you're in third position.....let's say Royal says all-in...aces quickly calls.....are you still calling him?

 

It depends on what I think of those two guys, but in that situation, with the quick call — I say goodbye to QQ. I mean, what could they have? I guess you can put opponents on AK and A10, because of some definite pre-flop betting. But jeez...a lot of times — more than I'd like to admit — when I think hard on a call and think of those "hands that beat me," that's usually what they end up having.

Knowing your opponents in this spot would help you tons. I know a guy who preflop pushes with A-rag — he likes the hand. People usually have minimum hand strength betting requirements. If those are two solid players, you muck those fucking queens.

 

That would be tough. I'd have to have watched them play.
You figure one might have the aces, but another might just have a flush without the straight flush.
It's hard to say if without being at that table and presumably having played with the other two players for a little while.
Third to act with queens full would be a tough call.
But Sklansky wrote a great bit about 'championships laydowns' vs. paying out.
Laying down winning hands will cost you more in the long run than paying out when you're unlucky with monsters.
That's the way I look at it.

 

That's why Sklansky has written those books.....he knows what the hell he is talking about.

That said.....in that position, with QQ.

Muck.

 

Damn this thread. I want to go play poker again.

I've taken a bit of a break after my last two tournaments, which ended thusly:

1) Qc9c from under the gun. I limp for $25 (still at first blind level). Another limper comes in, and the button raises to $125. Me and the other limper call. The board comes 3c-6c-10c, giving me the 3rd nut flush. I bet $250 into the $400 pot, trying to see where I'm at. The player to my left calls, and the button raises to $1200. Now, the button guy had just won a huge pot the hand before, so he's got about 1.5 times my stack. After making two big raises, the only range of hands I can possibly put him on are AA with the ace of clubs or KK with the king of clubs, QQ or JJ, or something like the 4-5 of clubs, maybe on a straight flush draw. I'm thinking, if he's got an ace high or king high flush, there's no way he'd raise, especially that amount, since he'd be unlikely to get a caller. So I figure I'm way ahead, I move all-in, he insta-calls and turns over Kc-5c, giving him the higher flush.

2) I'm scuffling along into the late stages of a tournament, below average chip stack, getting way better than average starting cards but getting outdrawn all night. So I pick up 9d-10d on the button, there's a small raise in front of me and one caller. So I call to make it a 3-way pot. The board comes out 2d-Kd-Qh, so I'm looking at a flush draw and inside straight draw. First player checks, next player bets 700, I call, and the player from first position moves all-in. The player to my right folds, and so I've got a decision to make for my tournament life. I think about it for a few minutes and fold; he turns over pocket deuces, which didn't really matter since I was on a drawing hand anyway. The very next hand, I pick up Ah-Jh. I raise, the same guy calls, and we're heads up to the flop. The flop comes out with junk, 5c-3h-9s or something like that. We both check. The turn comes with a Jd, giving me top pair, top kicker. He checks again, I make a smallish bet, and he instantly moves all-in. I'm sitting there thinking, "He knows I folded last hand when he moved me all-in." So I call, and of course, he turns over pocket 5s. When you bust out on two hands to a guy who flops back-to-back sets, it's time to take a break from the game.