FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

dog eat dog world · Jan 13, 2013

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Baron Scicluna said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

Captain Obvious said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

Boom_70 said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

Raises the question in my mind: Does there need to be a strong middle class to stage a successful revolt?
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No but the 2nd amendment does.
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Hope + powerful will = revolution.
Remember what Tom Paine said - there should be revolution every 20 years.
In all military history there is power.
And there is sheer will.
See Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Taliban, India vs. Britain, and so on.
It's why Iraq and Afghanistan were always lost causes for us.
They exhibited both qualities, and were or have been relentless in its practitioning.
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Thomas Paine was a out there, even among his own. It's funny that his background as a loser is swept under the rug. The moral is even losers can effect change.
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Paine was a born loser and eccentric, but a mover and activator.
And one hell of a writer.
Where is our Thomas Paine?
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Kansas City?
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You want revolution 21st century style? Consider the strategy of the gay marriage movement...money, media, lawyers. See, no guns involved.

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 13, 2013

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I look at Cuba.
Check the revolution in 1958.
That was one of the island's most prosperous years.
It was not some third-world tinpot, but economically ranked ahead of a number of European countries (that, to be fair, were still recovering from WWII).
Also ranked third or fourth economically in the Americas.

cranberry · Jan 13, 2013

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What group do you see staging this revolution? From what "outrage" does it emanate?

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 13, 2013

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The same disgust that fueled Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party.
Competing philosophies but both borne of contempt and exasperation.
And they still don't understand how angry the little man is becoming in this country.
They still don't fucking get it.

Captain Obvious · Jan 13, 2013

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3_Octave_Fart said:

The same disgust that fueled Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party.
Competing philosophies but both borne of contempt and exasperation.
And they still don't understand how angry the little man is becoming in this country.
They still don't fucking get it.
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There is anger out there. As of now, people have food and shelter. Take the basics away, and watch the fire burn.

Azrael · Jan 13, 2013

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Srsly?

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 13, 2013

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Yes, I have already stated I envision a future much like Mad Max and/or The Road.
I expect very hard times ahead, and I fear they will last the rest of my life.
The philosopher-king in Washington can fantasize all he likes, but back on Planet Earth things aren't looking too good.

Baron Scicluna · Jan 13, 2013

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3_Octave_Fart said:

I look at Cuba.
Check the revolution in 1958.
That was one of the island's most prosperous years.
It was not some third-world tinpot, but economically ranked ahead of a number of European countries (that, to be fair, were still recovering from WWII).
Also ranked third or fourth economically in the Americas.
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Batista also was using his army to kill dissenters. I'd imagine that pissed off a few people.

GeorgeFHayek · Jan 13, 2013

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Baron Scicluna said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

I look at Cuba.
Check the revolution in 1958.
That was one of the island's most prosperous years.
It was not some third-world tinpot, but economically ranked ahead of a number of European countries (that, to be fair, were still recovering from WWII).
Also ranked third or fourth economically in the Americas.
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Batista also was using his army to kill dissenters. I'd imagine that pissed off a few people.
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So you're saying it was pretty much a "Six one way, half a dozen the other" kind of thing, huh?

Riptide · Jan 13, 2013

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Captain Obvious said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

The same disgust that fueled Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party.
Competing philosophies but both borne of contempt and exasperation.
And they still don't understand how angry the little man is becoming in this country.
They still don't fucking get it.
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There is anger out there. As of now, people have food and shelter. Take the basics away, and watch the fire burn.
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It doesn't take much to set people off right now.
It's only going to get worse if all we do is play the blame game.

Norrin Radd · Jan 13, 2013

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Must disagree with those who think there will be violence in the streets if economic disparity continues.

That will get snuffed quickly if the National Guard is just overzealous enough. We're not looking at a full-scale revolution that would have any effect.

Our society is what it is. There will never be enough people who rise up.

Baron Scicluna · Jan 13, 2013

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GeorgeFHayek said:

Baron Scicluna said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

I look at Cuba.
Check the revolution in 1958.
That was one of the island's most prosperous years.
It was not some third-world tinpot, but economically ranked ahead of a number of European countries (that, to be fair, were still recovering from WWII).
Also ranked third or fourth economically in the Americas.
Click to expand...

Batista also was using his army to kill dissenters. I'd imagine that pissed off a few people.
Click to expand...

So you're saying it was pretty much a "Six one way, half a dozen the other" kind of thing, huh?
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Yeah, they were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't.

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