FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

dooley_womack1 · Feb 6, 2013

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As Lily Tomlin said, I resent losing the ozone layer just so we can have Pam.

Boom_70 · Feb 6, 2013

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dooley_womack1 said:

As Lily Tomlin said, I resent losing the ozone layer just so we can have Pam.
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No doubt that she would want Pam.

Tarheel316 · Feb 6, 2013

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Boom_70 said:

YankeeFan said:

The Ozone Layer should be completely gone any minute now.
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All because of Right Guard Spray.
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I knew there had to be a reason.

Azrael · Feb 6, 2013

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". . . the world's most successful environmental treaty."

www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/opinion/montreal-protocol-a-climate-success-story-to-build-on.html

www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/ozone-history.html

ozone.unep.org/new_site/en/montreal_protocol.php

Armchair_QB · Feb 6, 2013

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Boom_70 said:

BNWriter said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Postal Service ending Saturday deliveries in August.
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I saw a newspaper article about a year ago that said the government has been threatening this since 1957. They were threatening this when I was in HS in the mid-70s. Now, I guess, it will really come to pass.
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We've been running out of water and going on the metric system since I was young also.
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Soccer's going to surpass football in popularity any day now too...

old_tony · Feb 6, 2013

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Tarheel316 said:

old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Tarheel316 said:

Are you making fun of Lancey's situation?
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I don't think so. I think he's making light of the interpretation of Lancey's situation. I am sure he/she is, like me, pleased that Lancey's condition was treatable (rather easily, it seems) and is not a serious cause for immediate and/or long-term concern.

I'll be the first to admit here that the whole pre-existing conditions challenge is a tough nut to crack. At my age I've seen this play out numerous times, and I certainly understand this as a root of dissatisfaction with the current (actually, the on-the-way-out) system. Most recently I had a first cousin whose older (late teens) son was diagnosed with cancer. Fortunately for him the cancer was caught early and the surgery/chemo regimen was (apparently) very successful. Unfortunately for him, he'll always have that pre-existing condition, which means that unless he goes to work for: 1) the government; or 2) some big firm, he's going to have both the cancer shadow AND the insurance shadow chasing him. I have serious problems with any system set up that way.

On the other hand, our health care system as it is emerged under a regime of insurance as primary financing mechanism, which means that an alternative approach (i.e., one in which insurance really is insurance, rather than prepaid health care) can't, as a practical, political matter, get a fair hearing. I think this is terribly unfortunate since what evidence there is (and there's not much, but there's some) suggests such a transition would be a very, very positive outcome.
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That's some good analysis. I just don't it's right for people to be bankrupted by medical bills. It's immoral. For starters, fee-for-service has got to go.
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Great. Too bad Obamacare is set up to bankrupt people even before their first medical bill arrives.
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I have said all along that health care costs too much.
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And the solution ObamaCare brings is to also make health insurance cost too much. Great.
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Okay. You got a solution?
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Yup. Tort reform, for one. Also, use insurance as insurance, which means you only use insurance for catastrophic health-care events -- serious illness or injury and the surgeries and further treatments those require. You get a cold and go to the doctor? Out of pocket. Have an ear-ache and go to the doctor? Out of pocket.

Do it that way and a family of five will save a shit-ton of money compared to the $20,000/year premiums ObamaCare has them looking at.

Boom_70 · Feb 6, 2013

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

Armchair_QB said:

Boom_70 said:

BNWriter said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Postal Service ending Saturday deliveries in August.
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I saw a newspaper article about a year ago that said the government has been threatening this since 1957. They were threatening this when I was in HS in the mid-70s. Now, I guess, it will really come to pass.
Click to expand...

We've been running out of water and going on the metric system since I was young also.
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Soccer's going to surpass football in popularity any day now too...
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Yup the dawn of soccer is upon us.

LongTimeListener · Feb 6, 2013

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Alabama high school football coach suspended for reference to "Fat Butt Michelle Obama," and also saying he doesn't like being around queers. Too bad. Sounds like his psych students were learning a lot. Anyway, a student secretly taped him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/fat-butt-michelle-obama-high-school-foot-ball-coach-bob-grisham-anti-gay_n_2624756.html

He of course apologizes for (being caught) saying what he said. He "misspoke."

Inky_Wretch · Feb 6, 2013

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Boom_70 said:

Armchair_QB said:

Boom_70 said:

BNWriter said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Postal Service ending Saturday deliveries in August.
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I saw a newspaper article about a year ago that said the government has been threatening this since 1957. They were threatening this when I was in HS in the mid-70s. Now, I guess, it will really come to pass.
Click to expand...

We've been running out of water and going on the metric system since I was young also.
Click to expand...

Soccer's going to surpass football in popularity any day now too...
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Yup the dawn of soccer is upon us.
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Trolling soccer on the thread about concussions wasn't enough?

Tarheel316 · Feb 6, 2013

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old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Tarheel316 said:

Are you making fun of Lancey's situation?
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I don't think so. I think he's making light of the interpretation of Lancey's situation. I am sure he/she is, like me, pleased that Lancey's condition was treatable (rather easily, it seems) and is not a serious cause for immediate and/or long-term concern.

I'll be the first to admit here that the whole pre-existing conditions challenge is a tough nut to crack. At my age I've seen this play out numerous times, and I certainly understand this as a root of dissatisfaction with the current (actually, the on-the-way-out) system. Most recently I had a first cousin whose older (late teens) son was diagnosed with cancer. Fortunately for him the cancer was caught early and the surgery/chemo regimen was (apparently) very successful. Unfortunately for him, he'll always have that pre-existing condition, which means that unless he goes to work for: 1) the government; or 2) some big firm, he's going to have both the cancer shadow AND the insurance shadow chasing him. I have serious problems with any system set up that way.

On the other hand, our health care system as it is emerged under a regime of insurance as primary financing mechanism, which means that an alternative approach (i.e., one in which insurance really is insurance, rather than prepaid health care) can't, as a practical, political matter, get a fair hearing. I think this is terribly unfortunate since what evidence there is (and there's not much, but there's some) suggests such a transition would be a very, very positive outcome.
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That's some good analysis. I just don't it's right for people to be bankrupted by medical bills. It's immoral. For starters, fee-for-service has got to go.
Click to expand...

Great. Too bad Obamacare is set up to bankrupt people even before their first medical bill arrives.
Click to expand...

I have said all along that health care costs too much.
Click to expand...

And the solution ObamaCare brings is to also make health insurance cost too much. Great.
Click to expand...

Okay. You got a solution?
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Yup. Tort reform, for one. Also, use insurance as insurance, which means you only use insurance for catastrophic health-care events -- serious illness or injury and the surgeries and further treatments those require. You get a cold and go to the doctor? Out of pocket. Have an ear-ache and go to the doctor? Out of pocket.

Do it that way and a family of five will save a shit-ton of money compared to the $20,000/year premiums ObamaCare has them looking at.
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I'm with you on tort reform but prices still need to come way down to be affordable out of pocket.

Baron Scicluna · Feb 6, 2013

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old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

old_tony said:

Tarheel316 said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Tarheel316 said:

Are you making fun of Lancey's situation?
Click to expand...

I don't think so. I think he's making light of the interpretation of Lancey's situation. I am sure he/she is, like me, pleased that Lancey's condition was treatable (rather easily, it seems) and is not a serious cause for immediate and/or long-term concern.

I'll be the first to admit here that the whole pre-existing conditions challenge is a tough nut to crack. At my age I've seen this play out numerous times, and I certainly understand this as a root of dissatisfaction with the current (actually, the on-the-way-out) system. Most recently I had a first cousin whose older (late teens) son was diagnosed with cancer. Fortunately for him the cancer was caught early and the surgery/chemo regimen was (apparently) very successful. Unfortunately for him, he'll always have that pre-existing condition, which means that unless he goes to work for: 1) the government; or 2) some big firm, he's going to have both the cancer shadow AND the insurance shadow chasing him. I have serious problems with any system set up that way.

On the other hand, our health care system as it is emerged under a regime of insurance as primary financing mechanism, which means that an alternative approach (i.e., one in which insurance really is insurance, rather than prepaid health care) can't, as a practical, political matter, get a fair hearing. I think this is terribly unfortunate since what evidence there is (and there's not much, but there's some) suggests such a transition would be a very, very positive outcome.
Click to expand...

That's some good analysis. I just don't it's right for people to be bankrupted by medical bills. It's immoral. For starters, fee-for-service has got to go.
Click to expand...

Great. Too bad Obamacare is set up to bankrupt people even before their first medical bill arrives.
Click to expand...

I have said all along that health care costs too much.
Click to expand...

And the solution ObamaCare brings is to also make health insurance cost too much. Great.
Click to expand...

Okay. You got a solution?
Click to expand...

Yup. Tort reform, for one. Also, use insurance as insurance, which means you only use insurance for catastrophic health-care events -- serious illness or injury and the surgeries and further treatments those require. You get a cold and go to the doctor? Out of pocket. Have an ear-ache and go to the doctor? Out of pocket.

Do it that way and a family of five will save a shit-ton of money compared to the $20,000/year premiums ObamaCare has them looking at.
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You do realize insurance companies won't pass along the savings to their customers, right?

GeorgeFHayek · Feb 6, 2013

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Baron Scicluna said:

You do realize insurance companies won't pass along the savings to their customers, right?
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You got anything to back that up other than a general disdain of companies that don't strike your fancy?

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