FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Baron Scicluna · Feb 7, 2013

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YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

Hokie_pokie said:

Anyone who took Econ 101 in college should be able to understand how free market forces would necessarily drive down the price of ROUTINE health care if we all had to pay for it out of pocket instead of swiping the debit card for a nifty $10 co-pay.

The reason is simple: No matter how much doctors WANT to charge, they could only charge what their patients were both WILLING and ABLE to pay.

Otherwise, they eventually won't have any patients and it's "So long, thriving medical career .... hello, Taco Bell drive-thru."

It's supply and demand, people. You shouldn't have to be Adam Smith to understand the concept.
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Except there isn't an endless supply of doctors for patients to pick and choose from. There are doctors, especially specialists, who patients have to wait months for just for one appointment.
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Example?
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My own family, for one.

YankeeFan · Feb 7, 2013

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Baron Scicluna said:

YankeeFan said:

Example?
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My own family, for one.
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Months to see a specific doctor, or to see any doctor in that specialty?

Baron Scicluna · Feb 7, 2013

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YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

YankeeFan said:

Example?
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My own family, for one.
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Months to see a specific doctor, or to see any doctor in that specialty?
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Both.

Azrael · Feb 7, 2013

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How did Krugman win that Nobel if he never took Econ 101?

Here's the paper he cites. This guy won a Nobel, too, but now I'm suspicious of these prizes.

Arrow

hspm.sph.sc.edu/courses/Econ/Classes/Arrow.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arrow

Uncle.Ruckus · Feb 7, 2013

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

Hokie_pokie said:

Anyone who took Econ 101 in college should be able to understand how free market forces would necessarily drive down the price of ROUTINE health care if we all had to pay for it out of pocket instead of swiping the debit card for a nifty $10 co-pay.

The reason is simple: No matter how much doctors WANT to charge, they could only charge what their patients were both WILLING and ABLE to pay.

Otherwise, they eventually won't have any patients and it's "So long, thriving medical career .... hello, Taco Bell drive-thru."

It's supply and demand, people. You shouldn't have to be Adam Smith to understand the concept.
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Except there isn't an endless supply of doctors for patients to pick and choose from. There are doctors, especially specialists, who patients have to wait months for just for one appointment.
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Example?
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I don't even have to cite specialists. Next time you move, YF, try having your wife find an OB/GYN who is accepting new patients. I wish you luck.

EDIT: Please to be fixing long links, Az.

Uncle.Ruckus · Feb 7, 2013

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Az, here's a shortened link:

http://bit.ly/WxfyLb

YankeeFan · Feb 7, 2013

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Azrael said:

How did Krugman win that Nobel if he never took Econ 101?
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Krugman wouldn't have won shit if Jason Whitlock had been eligible for a Pulitzer.

Uncle.Ruckus · Feb 7, 2013

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Goddammit. That's what I get for reading a fucking Whitlock thread. Now I have Pulitzer on the brain, sted Nobel.

Fucking hell.

old_tony · Feb 7, 2013

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Krugman's one real contribution to the truth and to journalism was when his constant mis-statements forced the New York Times -- for the first time ever -- to adopt a correction policy for op-ed columnists in 2004.

Azrael · Feb 7, 2013

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

Az, here's a shortened link:

http://bit.ly/WxfyLb
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Thanks, just took me a minute to figure it out.

Uncle.Ruckus · Feb 7, 2013

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YF, pls fix post with long link. Thx.

GeorgeFHayek · Feb 7, 2013

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

Azrael said:

"Why markets can’t cure healthcare"

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/
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Why can't Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman understand basic economics?
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Krugman's right ... which is why he wrote that markets can't "cure" healthcare. You're interpreting that as saying that markets can't bring anything to the table in health care, which is absolutely not what he's arguing. Your argument is analogous to saying that since antibiotics aren't universally effective in curing infections, they shouldn't be considered as a treatment for an infection.

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