FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Azrael · Feb 10, 2013

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Smart piece here on the narrowing of the Republican party by Sam Tanenhaus.

www.newrepublic.com/article/112365/why-republicans-are-party-white-people#

"With Barack Obama sworn in for a second term—the first president in either party since Ronald Reagan to be elected twice with popular majorities—the GOP is in jeopardy, the gravest since 1964, of ceasing to be a national party."

Captain Obvious · Feb 10, 2013

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Azrael said:

Smart piece here on the narrowing of the Republican party by Sam Tanenhaus.

www.newrepublic.com/article/112365/why-republicans-are-party-white-people#

"With Barack Obama sworn in for a second term—the first president in either party since Ronald Reagan to be elected twice with popular majorities—the GOP is in jeopardy, the gravest since 1964, of ceasing to be a national party."
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Predictions have been made that both parties will cease to be national parties. I'm not going to bet on this one being right.

outofplace · Feb 10, 2013

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3_Octave_Fart said:

outofplace said:

Flying Headbutt said:

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

I don't take etiquette lessons from people who used to post here under other names.
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Me neither.

Those guys are jerkfaces.
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hahahahaha
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Oh the meta of it all!
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Anybody see where I put that Troll Trail Mix last week, guys?
The one I found at the Sam's Club around the corner?
Our boy is back for his midnight snack.
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That's it? That's all you've got? You'd think somebody who prides himself on being a troll could do better. Somebody wake me if he ever says anything interesting.

outofplace · Feb 10, 2013

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3_Octave_Fart said:

I'm sorry if you're having a bad day or life, but bad-mouthing me won't make it any better.
Post about politics on my favorite thread, or take a hike.
I won't trifle with you.
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At least half of this thread is pissing matches and stupid jokes, yet you singled my post out. Even without citing other evidence, you are clearly trying to pick a fight. If you are going to do so, at least try harder. Be funny or something. Otherwise, get back on topic or troll somebody else.

3_Octave_Fart · Feb 10, 2013

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I gave you a command to post on topic.
You were singled out because well more than half of your correspondence consists of pissing matches.
Honest question: Is there anyone you get on well with at this site? Because shit, even I have a buddy or two here.
No more PMs from you. I know you have some sort of weird crush on me, but it all ends now.

Boom_70 · Feb 10, 2013

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Azrael said:

Smart piece here on the narrowing of the Republican party by Sam Tanenhaus.

www.newrepublic.com/article/112365/why-republicans-are-party-white-people#

"With Barack Obama sworn in for a second term—the first president in either party since Ronald Reagan to be elected twice with popular majorities—the GOP is in jeopardy, the gravest since 1964, of ceasing to be a national party."
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Here's one from back in in 2003 with Al Sharpton claiming that Bill Clinton killed the democat party/

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/9/155824.shtml

Sooner or later odds are that someone will be right in their prediction of the the demise of 2 party system

YankeeFan · Feb 10, 2013

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More Cabinet problems for the President.

Chuck Hagel in 2008:

Hamas is already attacking Israel. Iran supports Hamas. Iran supports Hezbollah. What I would much rather see is this administration, or hopefully the next administration, engage Iran, engage Syria. When I hear the talk about – well you can’t talk with Iran, you can’t talk with Syria and we’re, we should stay where we are and support Israel, and so on, well you miss the point.

"Our policy has been so successful I believe, hasn’t it [laughter], that the Middle East is far better off today than it has ever been, isn’t it? [Laughter.] I mean all those countries, Lebanon is in great shape, Gaza is in great shape, Israel is in great shape, Iran, Iraq, things have never looked better, because we won’t talk to anybody. We are not going to have peace, stability, security or even any hints of it in the Middle East until Iran and Syria and all the players are part of it.

"Now that doesn’t apologize for or doesn’t close our eyes to what Iran has been doing, what Iran does do, but unless they are engaged in some way , then I don’t see this getting any better, and then where this could go, where this could eventually go. Someone was asking me the other day about a nuclear exchange in the world, where that would come from. I said well I’ll give you a scenario that’s very real. If Israel gets backed up enough into a corner and Israel uses a tactical theater nuclear weapon, you want to talk about seeing some things unravel in the world. The United States shouldn’t even be thinking about options of bombing Iran or anybody else. I mean we got our hands full right now. And we’re in such a hell of a mess."

The exchange has previously not been reported.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hagel-israel-s-nukes-more-threat-iran-s_700549.html
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Jack Lew's Cayman Island "tax shelters":

As recently as 2010, Jack Lew, President Obama‘s nominee to be the next secretary of the Treasury, had $56,000 invested in a CitiGroup venture capital fund based in the Cayman Islands’ notorious Ugland House, a building whose mailboxes are home to nearly 19,000 corporate entities, many of them tax shelters.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/lews-cayman-islands-fund-a-likely-issue-at-confirmation-hearings/
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I don't see how Hagel gets through. If he was going to be confirmed, it would have already happened. It's only getting worse for him, and it's going to look bad when the President has to withdraw the nomination.

Who does he turn to next? Apparently no Dems are capable of serving as SecDef.

Lew will likely be confirmed, and the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign's criticism of Mitt Romney will be apparent.

YankeeFan · Feb 10, 2013

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John Yoo doesn't think much of Obama's drone memo:

But instead of relying on the traditional authority to kill the enemy, the leaked memo reveals how a legal fog threatens to envelop U.S. soldiers and agents on the front lines. The administration has replaced the clarity of the rules of war with the vague legal balancing tests that govern policemen on the beat.

The Bill of Rights establishes a careful set of rules for police conduct. Officers can use deadly force only when there is probable cause to believe a suspect will imminently cause serious bodily harm. The legal system doesn't generally allow the government to stop the potentially dangerous before they commit crimes.

The military's mission is quite the opposite. U.S. armed forces and intelligence agencies exist to pre-empt enemy attacks, not to apprehend the guilty afterward. Troops must have the right to use force against enemy armed forces at any time, not merely at the moment before "an operational leader" (in the Justice memo's words) seizes a plane or places a bomb.

The memo shows that for the first time in the history of American arms, presidential advisers will weigh the due-process rights of enemy combatants on the battlefield against the government's interests, judge an individual's "imminent" threat of violence, and ponder whether capture is feasible before deciding to strike. Under these provisions, the U.S. military's speed and decisiveness will suffer, even as the intelligence needed to identify drone targets dries up with the withdrawals from Iraq and now Afghanistan.

The memo even suggests that American al Qaeda leaders such as Anwar al-Awlaki (killed in a 2011 drone strike in Yemen) enjoy due-process rights. But in doing so, it dissipates the rights of the law-abiding at home.

While suggesting that al Qaeda terrorists have constitutional rights, the memo makes no room for judicial review of a strike, as would be required for any actual government deprivation of due process. All we have are scarcely believable accounts that Mr. Obama selects targets from CIA lists with the guidance of St. Thomas Aquinas's writings on what constitutes a just war.

This approach sets a concerning precedent regarding the government's respect for due process in future cases involving American citizens and legal residents who actually deserve the right. By including terrorists among those afforded constitutional protections, the president's policy risks stretching those protections a mile wide and an inch deep—weakening them for all Americans.

http://online.wSportsJournalists.com/article/SB10001424127887323951904578288380180346300.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Uncle.Ruckus · Feb 10, 2013

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LOLOLOZZZZ!

YankeeFan · Feb 10, 2013

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

LOLOLOZZZZ!
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Excellent criticism.

Uncle.Ruckus · Feb 10, 2013

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It's all John Yoo merits.

YankeeFan · Feb 10, 2013

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

It's all John Yoo merits.
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So, who is Obama's John Yoo?

Why don't we know his or her name?

Where is the specific criticism of the Obama memo, and not just the Obama policy?

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