FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

3_Octave_Fart · Feb 10, 2013

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

I'm done with this, small man.
Beyond exasperated with your antics, your stalking.
Come lend me your strength and put our favorite thread back on the TROLLEY TRACKS.

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Is a national sales tax fair to a liberty-loving people?
Is it good economics?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarotta/2013/02/10/is-a-national-sales-tax-really-fair/

A popular suggestion is to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax, called the fair tax. The idea is that everyone pays their fair share based on what they spend rather than what they earn. Taxing consumption rather than productivity would encourage saving and investment, in turn stimulating production and economic growth.

The national sales tax would fall between 23% and 30%. It could replace the income tax and the 6.2% employee portion of the Social Security tax.

If the income tax was eliminated, the Internal Revenue Service, as well as thousands of pages of the tax code, would be obsolete. You would not be required to report your personal financial information to the government, which would both protect your privacy and reduce falsification on tax returns. [...]

Taxing income decreases productivity. Taxing consumption will similarly decrease spending. Less demand for consumer goods will reduce prices and also consumer debt. Families will be encouraged to have capital to save and invest as the tax burdens are removed on investments.

Deferred consumption, money not spent, is the textbook definition of capital. And because a sales tax is a consumption tax, more people will defer consumption and have capital to invest instead. Money invested earns more money. Increased savings and investing help create a healthy country with better economic growth.
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Norrin Radd · Feb 10, 2013

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

outofplace said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

I think you owe us a little class after your tiresome act on this site. Maybe an apology to the group, as well.
Do you have anything to add to the subject of the thread?
Any time you want to contribute would be splendid.
I just counted them - 77 PMs to a hetero married man, from you, since Dec. 30. That's sad.
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You actually counted? Man, you do need a life.

If I really sent 77, then I'd put the estimate on the number you sent me at over 110. So, why is a heterosexual married man, as you define yourself, so obsessed with sending me messages and then counting the replies? Let's not forget the times you've sent me three or four in a row, each more desperate and confrontational than the last, when I've ignored you. It really makes me wonder.

You are trolling. You are yanking this thing well off topic and you and I both know that was your goal. Just don't waste your time lying and claiming otherwise. Everybody here knows better.
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Just stop it.

No one cares about anything you have to say. Individuals who know how to entertain and insult using the written word are speaking here.

I know you like to attempt to wade in and participate despite your complete lack of game, but you should instead consider staying quiet and taking notes.

3_Octave_Fart · Feb 10, 2013

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One more for the dumper.
The Atlantic looks at the trend towards a more privatized, at-home care.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/keeping-patients-out-of-hospitals-a-private-sector-approach-to-health-reform/272916/

I still don't know how anyone could be threatened by a good-faith, if fatally hamstrung, movement to improve health care.
I say that as someone who does not care for the president or many of his Good Ship Lollipop adherents here.

dog eat dog world · Feb 10, 2013

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

3_Octave_Fart said:

One more for the dumper.
The Atlantic looks at the trend towards a more privatized, at-home care.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/keeping-patients-out-of-hospitals-a-private-sector-approach-to-health-reform/272916/

I still don't know how anyone could be threatened by a good-faith, if fatally hamstrung, movement to improve health care.
I say that as someone who does not care for the president or many of his Good Ship Lollipop adherents here.
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Don't interrupt their trip to the candy shop please. The sugar has made them forget about those SS deductions from their paychecks.

3_Octave_Fart · Feb 10, 2013

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They will shit alphabet blocks when they see those deductions.
Rather, when the full implications of those deductions start to hit home.
"The gentle government that promises to hold your hand as you cross the street refuses to let go on the other side." — the late Ted Forstmann

Flying Headbutt · Feb 10, 2013

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The income tax is still better and more efficient than a national sales tax would ever be. Or I'm just supposed to believe you won't see black markets exploding with stolen goods being re-sold elsewhere? It'd make the dock workers from season 2 of The Wire look like your basic department store managers.

And fuck, Lindsey Graham again? I count myself a fan of neither Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or Eric Cantor. But Graham may be more insufferable than all three of those blowhards combined.

Starman · Feb 10, 2013

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Of course, the rich, who stash their money in the Caymans, want to shift ALL (ALL) of the tax burden on the poor, who spend all their money on ramen noodles.

Of course.

Tarheel316 · Feb 10, 2013

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Flying Headbutt said:

The income tax is still better and more efficient than a national sales tax would ever be. Or I'm just supposed to believe you won't see black markets exploding with stolen goods being re-sold elsewhere? It'd make the dock workers from season 2 of The Wire look like your basic department store managers.

And fuck, Lindsey Graham again? I count myself a fan of neither Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or Eric Cantor. But Graham may be more insufferable than all three of those blowhards combined.
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You are spot on with this.

3_Octave_Fart · Feb 10, 2013

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If personal savings are to replace benefit entitlements, you have to coerce people to save.

Starman · Feb 10, 2013

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you can't save if everyday living expenses burn up most of your income.

Of course for the rich, especially the inherited rich, this is no problem.

Starman · Feb 10, 2013

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The grandparents who invented Social Security.

outofplace · Feb 10, 2013

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Norrin Radd said:

outofplace said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

I think you owe us a little class after your tiresome act on this site. Maybe an apology to the group, as well.
Do you have anything to add to the subject of the thread?
Any time you want to contribute would be splendid.
I just counted them - 77 PMs to a hetero married man, from you, since Dec. 30. That's sad.
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You actually counted? Man, you do need a life.

If I really sent 77, then I'd put the estimate on the number you sent me at over 110. So, why is a heterosexual married man, as you define yourself, so obsessed with sending me messages and then counting the replies? Let's not forget the times you've sent me three or four in a row, each more desperate and confrontational than the last, when I've ignored you. It really makes me wonder.

You are trolling. You are yanking this thing well off topic and you and I both know that was your goal. Just don't waste your time lying and claiming otherwise. Everybody here knows better.
Click to expand...

Just stop it.

No one cares about anything you have to say. Individuals who know how to entertain and insult using the written word are speaking here.

I know you like to attempt to wade in and participate despite your complete lack of game, but you should instead consider staying quiet and taking notes.
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The next intelligent comment from you I read on a subject other than comic books will be the first, so you'll pardon me if I don't take your opinion to heart.

You don't like the pissing match? Take it up with the troll.

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