FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Just curious. How does the role of world policeman square with being a small government conservative?

Wouldn't a small government conservative cheer a smaller American footprint in international affairs?

I'm genuinely perplexed by this.

 

The improper IRS screening was much, much more widespread than previously reported.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/new-irs-chief-inappropriate-screening-was-broader

 

Depends on the consequences of that smaller American footprint, I suppose, but, yes, in the main that would be the case.

 

I'd have no problem at all with a smaller footprint internationally. We give way, way too much in foreign aid to countries that hate us and do everything they can to undermine us.

 

He's not my hero. That's one of the many concepts you can't seem to get into that thick head of yours. I wasn't thrilled with him the first time around and if your beloved party hadn't dropped the ball so badly, I might have voted Republican in the last election. I know that is something you don't understand. You don't know how to think for yourself. You just lap up whatever the Republican Party feeds you and defend it to the death.

And my point did sail right over your head. You thought I was trying to support Obama. I wasn't. I was saying that his actions, and those of others in the government, do not justify what Snowden did. They certainly don't protect him from prosecution. But Snowden did something to hurt the current administration, so you support him without question. The law means nothing to do you. This country means less to you than tearing down Liberals. I am truly sad for you if you believe even half of the shit you post on this site.

 

Kinda kills the whole "Obama hates America" narrative, doesn't it?

 

How so? He's spying on America and now he wants to sock it to the guy who exposed that he's spying on America.

Thinking isn't your strong suit, is it?

 

You can tell Obama hates America just by lookin at him. That hasn't changed.

 

But if he didn't spy on America, we would be vulnerable to terrorists, remember?

 

There are plenty of swing voters, including me, who voted that way. I would have been content to vote for Romney had he just A) been able to build rapport with Middle America, and 2) conveyed a sense that he really wanted the job.

How many votes were cast out of disgust with the Republican Scream Machine?
Obama is a disappointment, but the GOP has been a major disappointment, too.

 

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And he isn't/wasn't everything to his supporters?

Every liberal thought he agreed with everyone of their positions, even ones that were in conflict.
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YankeeFan is particularly clueless on this matter, which is usually what happens when you try to lump all of one political group together as if they all feel the same way.
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YankeeFan was the one saying, incorrectly, that it was all Liberals. I pointed out how full of shit he is and then you jumped in.

I don't think it was even most. I think there were some Liberals who has insanely high expectations. The rest simply felt he was the better option. And some would have voted for anybody the Democrats put up there just to get the White House away from the Republicans after the mess George W. Bush made of things.
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Where did you point out how full of shit I was?

To try and act like liberals weren't full of high expectations, and simply voted for Obama over McCain because they thought he was "the better option" is complete b.s.

The Democrat Party -- and especially the liberal wing of the Democrat Party -- is a coalition of special interest groups, minority groups, and single issue voters.

This coalition includes African-Americans, Hispanics, Homosexuals, unmarried women (with children), labor organizations/members (including trade unions, government employee unions, and teachers), the "youth vote", environmentalists, gay rights advocates, pro-choice advocates, gun control advocates, advocates of "immigration reform", anti-war advocates, civil libertarians, the recipients of government social services (welfare, food stamps, etc.), employees in the non-for-profit industries that provide social services, and rely on government spending for their budgets, members of the arts, and employees of art groups that rely on government spending for their budgets, and so on.

Which of those groups was not excited about an Obama Presidency? Which one of these groups was not convinced that President Obama would improve policy in their specific area of interest?

And, this was despite the fact that their are conflicts within the coalition. Labor and environmentalists disagree on policy (Keystone Pipeline), yet both groups thought Obama was in their corner.

Labor groups and advocates for "immigration reform" are at odds. That didn't stop members of both groups from assuming that Obama's policies would be in line with their thinking.

 

First of all, learn how to use the quote function if you're going to try and pick and choose like that. You actually attributed one of your comments to me.

Look what you said.

"Every liberal thought he agreed with everyone on their positions."

Then you go on to point out how stupid such thinking is. And it is stupid not to realize that it's impossible to agree with every Liberal on every issue. That's why you keep trying to build that straw man, so you can slam Liberals.

Yes, there were people who voted for the man who were star struck, but you were arguing that EVERYBODY who voted for him was star struck and that just isn't true.

If you tried to argue that every person who voted for him was excited about him, you'd still be wrong, but at least you'd be closer to the truth. But being excited about the guy is not the same thing as assuming he agrees with you on every single issue.

The truth is that you had some of the star struck types. You had some who were really excited, but more realistic. And you had some who simply thought he was the better option. To try to say all Liberals fell in the first category is where you are either ridiculously ignorant or just full of shit.

I keep coming back to this question with some of you. Which is it? Are you stupid or are you a liar? Because if you are going to insist that every Liberal thought Obama agreed with them on every issue, then you you are one of the two.