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That's a great point...but does not excuse or justify this administration going into Syria. I think we would still be hesitant because, face it, Obama has a five-year track record now. His foreign policy thus far does not exactly inspire a great deal of confidence.

Tell me this...are you not at the point where you want to say, "Enough is enough?" Regardless of what Bush did or what he didn't do, that was a long time ago. Obama has had five years...over a full term, to put his stamp on things. Looking at Bush does not fly anymore...granted, Bush was an idiot. His handling of the war in Iraq was bumbling to say the least. None of that matters now.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ... yep, pre-GWB the presidency was one long run of totally credible guys who deserved and enjoyed the complete trust of the citizenry.

Y'all want Baron's opinion on anything? Here you go ...

 

I'm not sure he's wrong, here, though. I don't think he's saying all presidents before Bush were great. But we've got a similar situation in our collective memory that we, generally, look negatively upon. I don't think it's exactly a stretch to wondering if we didn't have that recent, similar, painful experience, whether the consensus around Syria would be quite different.

 

Agreed. I am willing to give Baron the benefit of the doubt on this for just these reasons.

 

The Narrative™ at work again ...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-wife-says-threatened-her-father-with-gun/

 

What exactly was he supposed to do to "put his stamp" on foreign policy?

 

No, I'm not saying all the pre-Bush presidents were great and that is my point about the recent situation.

 

Fucking coward.

 

Who has Syria invaded?

How many times have the violated the no-fly zone over their country or shot at the planes defending it?

How long have we been under a cease-fire with Syria due to the war they started in the early 90s?

But, yeah, we have more justification for going into Syria than we did for going into Iraq.

Fucking idiot.

 

Seriously? How about not:
Pulling the missile shield from Poland and the Czech Republic, negotiating away various US nuclear weapons capacity with Russia without receiving much in return in the START Treaty, talking about further unilateral cuts to the US nuclear arsenal without any cuts made by US adversaries or enemy states, pulling out of Iraq without a status of forces agreement, announcing a partial surge in Afghanistan, while announcing...at the same time... a withdrawal in Afghanistan, withdrawing his support for 30 year old ally Mubarak in Egypt and supported Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood, telling Israel it should negotiate a return of territory based upon pre-1967 borders, threatening and not doing anything against Iranian nuclear development, failing to support the democratic forces in Iranian (Green Revolution Movement) against the Mullahs at the start of his presidency, supporting the would-be dictator of Honduras against that country's legislature and national court, lying about the facts surrounding Benghazi and placing the blame on a video about Mohammed, failing to respond in any way, even to this day, to the attack on the consulate at Benghazi, etc., etc., etc.

His foreign policy has been a nightmare. The only stamp he has put on it is one of incompetence and it's a shame you can't see that.

 

It's hard to call his foreign policy a nightmare when he doesn't actually have a foreign policy beyond "We're really, really sorry for all the things you imagine White America has done to you."

This president is an abortion.

 

He's been doing things by the seat of his pants since he entered the national arena.
He knows even less of political economy than he does statecraft.
He's just a big old phony.
We are so off course with this guy.
He will have squandered eight years of our lives.