FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Riptide · Oct 30, 2012

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Dick Whitman said:

Riptide said:

Earlier this morning on MSNBC, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie praised President Obama's response to Hurricane Sandy, saying that since yesterday, he has spoken with the president three times and has gotten everything he's needed from the federal government, including an expedited major disaster declaration for New Jersey.

"The president has been all over this and he deserves great credit," Christie said. "I've been on the phone with him, like I said, yesterday, personally, three times. He gave me his number at the White House, told me to call him if I needed anything, and he absolutely means it. It's been very good working with the president, and he and his administration have been coordinating with us great. It's been wonderful."

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Well, he can kiss his presidential hopes goodbye. Ask Jon Huntsman.
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Yeah, because it's embarrassing to speak candidly during real-world situations.

Dick Whitman · Oct 30, 2012

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Riptide said:

Dick Whitman said:

Riptide said:

Earlier this morning on MSNBC, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie praised President Obama's response to Hurricane Sandy, saying that since yesterday, he has spoken with the president three times and has gotten everything he's needed from the federal government, including an expedited major disaster declaration for New Jersey.

"The president has been all over this and he deserves great credit," Christie said. "I've been on the phone with him, like I said, yesterday, personally, three times. He gave me his number at the White House, told me to call him if I needed anything, and he absolutely means it. It's been very good working with the president, and he and his administration have been coordinating with us great. It's been wonderful."

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/30/1152440/-Chris-Christie-praises-President-Obama-s-hurricane-response
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Well, he can kiss his presidential hopes goodbye. Ask Jon Huntsman.
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Yeah, because it's embarrassing to speak candidly during real-world situations.
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He will have to endure a presidential Republican primary. Praising Barack Obama, in any situation, will not serve him well. At all. Huntsman's campaign was a non-starter, partly because of a thank-you note he wrote to Obama that the Obama campaign leaked.

hondo · Oct 30, 2012

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exmediahack said:

Can't wait to see the President walking about West Philly after the storm, handing out free phones and $20 bills to remind his base to vote.
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You're a cocksucker.
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yes, he is. and i believe that's a verb because i believe you meant to "say" exmediahack sucks cocks ... so it should be two words.
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"Whoops. Crash must have called him a cocksucker."

YankeeFan · Oct 30, 2012

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Double Down said:

How long before some bloviating partisan hack tries to shut up Chirs Christie from praising the President's response to the storm?
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Hey, it's early still. Give me a minute to get the talking points straight!

YankeeFan · Oct 30, 2012

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More poll wackiness. NPR poll has Romney +1. A month ago, they were Obama +7.

Here's what I don't get though, the poll was taken between the 23rd & 25th. It was just released this morning.

Does it take 5 days to tabulate the results? With only 7 days left before the election, why release a poll that's 5 to 8 days old?

Dick Whitman · Oct 30, 2012

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The latest meme is that Nate Silver "hedges."

Fuck yeah, he "hedges." He writes a whole chapter in his book about how he "hedges" and why. It's essentially the entire foundation of his operation.

Big Circus · Oct 30, 2012

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old_tony said:

Because calling a dumb hen a dumb hen is so much more offensive than reducing women to their sex parts and telling them they can't survive without Barack buying their birth control. :
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This is just an incredible lack of self-awareness. A right-winger complaining about other people "reducing women to their sex parts" in reference to the Lena Dunham kerfluffle? There's never been greater evidence of the way the right does exactly that than the past few weeks.

Male Republican Congressional candidates opining about rape being "God's will"? That's fine. But a woman discussing SEX!!!!!! in a political context? UNACCEPTABLE. Ladies, the message is abundantly clear: to the Republican party, you aren't deserving of sexual agency. Women are there to be sexed ON.

Songbird · Oct 30, 2012

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JakeandElwood said:

Riptide said:

Earlier this morning on MSNBC, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie praised President Obama's response to Hurricane Sandy, saying that since yesterday, he has spoken with the president three times and has gotten everything he's needed from the federal government, including an expedited major disaster declaration for New Jersey.

"The president has been all over this and he deserves great credit," Christie said. "I've been on the phone with him, like I said, yesterday, personally, three times. He gave me his number at the White House, told me to call him if I needed anything, and he absolutely means it. It's been very good working with the president, and he and his administration have been coordinating with us great. It's been wonderful."

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/30/1152440/-Chris-Christie-praises-President-Obama-s-hurricane-response
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Wow, lots of respect for Christie to be that honest in this partisan atmosphere especially given the timing of the election.
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It's nothing new for Christie. One may disagree with his politics, but he's always straight-up:

old_tony · Oct 30, 2012

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Alma said:

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Alma said:

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old_tony said:

Alma said:

old_tony said:

Alma said:

He said no more or less than Obama did. Obama made a quip. Bush made a speech. Obama pushed health care. Bush went on a tour to privatize Social Security. They're both <i>huge</i> issues. Pet projects of their respective sides. They approached it exactly the same.

What's interesting to me is that, for all these jabs and one-liners you push, you're seriously holding it against Obama for not working with your side enough? The Koch Brothers, nasty as they are, aren't that naive. Politics in this country, especially now, is an inch-by-inch, hour-by-hour bare-knuckle fight. If you want to indict Obama for presuming he could rise above it, fine. But holding him to the standard of unity when your definition of unity, at least in the thread, is "everything I want, no exceptions" is Palinesque. Which is to say a child grown old.
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Yeah, I can understand how someone considers providing thousands of jobs and donating millions in charity would be "nasty." We certainly don't see such behavior from the left. :

Your statement proves you have no idea at all about the Kochs. Read something other than hard-left blogs.
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Your weakness as a debater blooms in this post. Of all the arguments you could make, you choose the postmodern/PR response that only people employed by the Kochs would bother to make. To paint the Kochs as anything but formidable, win-at-any-cost types -- their own political advisor uses the word "ugly" to describe their smear campaigns is a deliberate, weak sauce troll, or it reveals you as a starry-eyed unicorn enthusiast.
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Got that from Kos, right?
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I've never read a single word of his Web site. Never even been there.

You can either stay in the game or romp around with one-liners. You've been beaten so thoroughly on the "I won" critique that I suspect you're still looking for your mouthpiece.

There are lots of good arguments out there to make on the Koch Brothers' brand of nasty. The "how dare you!" tack ain't one of them.
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Yeah, I get it. Good philanthropists aren't your type.
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Yeah, I get it, too. You can't really debate. Good troll, though. Too bad.
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So what is it you have against freedom-loving philanthropists who give more to charity than your top 100 favorite democrats?
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Loaded question. Well, it's not really, but for you to pose it, it would be. It presumes the values "freedom-loving" and "give more to charity" could only exist in exclusion to negative traits. What could anyone have against anybody? Lots of things.

Beyond, I never argued they didn't love freedom or that they didn't give the charity. I argued they were nasty. I offered a window into their worldview. Your response was to highlight their charitable efforts. But who I think they are and what they give to charity are not mutually exclusive, IMO. If you think they are, we can debate that. It's a debate you'd lose, but we can debate it.
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You think they're nasty based on hard-left blogs that don't know a thing about them other than they oppose the nanny state that sucks EVERYONE's freedom away. Your side thinks that makes them nasty. Your side is wrong.

old_tony · Oct 30, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

More poll wackiness. NPR poll has Romney +1. A month ago, they were Obama +7.

Here's what I don't get though, the poll was taken between the 23rd & 25th. It was just released this morning.

Does it take 5 days to tabulate the results? With only 7 days left before the election, why release a poll that's 5 to 8 days old?
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It being NPR, maybe they didn't like the results so they delayed.

GeorgeFHayek · Oct 30, 2012

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Big Circus said:

old_tony said:

Because calling a dumb hen a dumb hen is so much more offensive than reducing women to their sex parts and telling them they can't survive without Barack buying their birth control. :
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This is just an incredible lack of self-awareness. A right-winger complaining about other people "reducing women to their sex parts" in reference to the Lena Dunham kerfluffle? There's never been greater evidence of the way the right does exactly that than the past few weeks.

Male Republican Congressional candidates opining about rape being "God's will"? That's fine. But a woman discussing SEX!!!!!! in a political context? UNACCEPTABLE. Ladies, the message is abundantly clear: to the Republican party, you aren't deserving of sexual agency. Women are there to be sexed ON.
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You'd think at a site for journalists (current and former) people would be better than this at listening to what's actually said ...

EDIT: Fixed typo. Was not talking about how people aren't good at listing (i.e., leaning one way or the other) but listening.

Ben_Hecht · Oct 30, 2012

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Look-alike stooges: the WSJ's Bret Stephens, and GWB.

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