FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Baron Scicluna · Oct 31, 2012

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dooley_womack1 said:

zagoshe said:

Bubbler said:

The vast majority of Tea Partiers were predisposed to think Obama did a shitty job the minute he got elected.
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And just because they are one step away from the lunatic fringe - that doesn't make them wrong on that point, though it was probably closer to an hour after he took office before he began to show us all what a fucking idiot he is.
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Assuming you're not just pushing buttons in your own special way, what did he do within the first hour to show that?
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He raised his right hand and put his left on the bible. The audacity of him.

RickStain · Oct 31, 2012

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Double Down said:

Be interesting to see what the jobs report says on Friday. Gallup (has flipped! Um, suck it?) says unemployment is now at 7.1 percent.

http://www.bluevirginia.us/diary/8038/gallup-unemployment-down-to-71-economic-confidence-highest-since-2008
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Only several years after Obama predicted it would. Congratulations!

Inky_Wretch · Oct 31, 2012

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Mike Huckabee: Voting Obama might send you to Hell

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/30/ex-preacher-mike-huckabee-threatens-people-with-damnation-for-voting-for-obama-video/

sportbook · Oct 31, 2012

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Drip said:

Mitt Romney.... media whore. Why in the name of fuckdom did FEMA brief him about the Hurricane Sandy? I would like to think that FEMA has a lot more important things to do than to brief this a-hole. Man, my scale is beginning to tilt.
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He gets the daily security briefings. Why wouldn't FEMA brief him?

GeorgeFHayek · Oct 31, 2012

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dooley_womack1 said:

zagoshe said:

Bubbler said:

The vast majority of Tea Partiers were predisposed to think Obama did a shitty job the minute he got elected.
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And just because they are one step away from the lunatic fringe - that doesn't make them wrong on that point, though it was probably closer to an hour after he took office before he began to show us all what a fucking idiot he is.
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Assuming you're not just pushing buttons in your own special way, what did he do within the first hour to show that?
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A "f*#$ing idiot"? Nothing. But even before his inauguration he suggested he would pursue policies that many/most of those on the right would believe to be the province of such a person.

President Obama came into office in the midst of an economic crisis. He also was handed a tool -- TARP -- by his Republican predecessor that was already driving Tea Party types crazy.

President Obama then proceeded to fan those flames by attempting to take control of the commanding heights of the U.S. economy -- finance, energy and health care. Anyone of even modest economic conservatism would be put off by such an overreach. Further, his underlings made no secret that they were exploiting the economic climate to enact policies they'd have a hard time enacting in normal circumstances; "[y]ou never want a serious crisis to go to waste," said chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

I'm not here to attack President Obama's agenda or performance. Rather, I'm simply criticizing the idea that pops up all too frequently that Republicans (Tea Party leaning or no) opposed the President simply because he was Barack Hussein Obama rather than John W. Whitebread. Even if that were the case, President Obama certainly made it easy for such opposition to make it a matter of principle.

Ben_Hecht · Oct 31, 2012

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zagoshe said:

Here is the perfect scenario.....

Barry Hussein Osama wins the Electoral Votes
Shit I'm Wrongney wins the Popular Votes

The Elephants win both houses.

This would ensure that Barry will be ridiculed as the "President Select" and also can't go crazy with his socialist horseshit and the conservative wackos can't tell us all when and where to go to church.....
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Given the polls -- and in stark contrast with all the certainty expressed a year ago -- the GOP ain't winning the Senate.

Note to GOP: thanks for nominating a double-handful of epic morons.

GeorgeFHayek · Oct 31, 2012

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One thing I am going to scream loud and long about is this idea of a "split decision" (e.g., one candidate wins the popular vote, the other wins the Electoral College). That ain't a split decision, because there isn't a true popular-vote race going on here. There's the veneer of a popular-vote race, but both campaigns would have vastly different strategies if that's how the election was to be decided. We can't know how the votes would have fallen in a true popular-vote election.

Also, I agree/disagree with B_H ... the Senate's going to be controlled by the Dems ... probably 53-/54-vote majority. So one (maybe two) asshat candidates on the GOP side aren't solely to blame.

Dick Whitman · Oct 31, 2012

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GeorgeFHayek said:

One thing I am going to scream loud and long about is this idea of a "split decision" (e.g., one candidate wins the popular vote, the other wins the Electoral College). That ain't a split decision, because there isn't a true popular-vote race going on here. There's the veneer of a popular-vote race, but both campaigns would have vastly different strategies if that's how the election was to be decided. We can't know how the votes would have fallen in a true popular-vote election.
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A thousand times yes.

There was nothing to bitch about in 2000 and there would be nothing to bitch about now.

Captain Obvious · Oct 31, 2012

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old_tony said:

YankeeFan said:

More poll wackiness. NPR poll has Romney +1. A month ago, they were Obama +7.

Here's what I don't get though, the poll was taken between the 23rd & 25th. It was just released this morning.

Does it take 5 days to tabulate the results? With only 7 days left before the election, why release a poll that's 5 to 8 days old?
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It being NPR, maybe they didn't like the results so they delayed.
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When did you stop touching little boys?

cranberry · Oct 31, 2012

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Given the libertarian bent of a number of folks on the board, I wonder how come Gary Johnson doesn't come up more often (at all?) in the discussion. He's a two-time governor with some business credentials. Too much of a kook? It's not so easy to make the case; in fact, I can certainly see where he might appeal to some who have very different ideas about government's role than me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/19/gary-johnsons-third-party-presidential-bid-a-real-factor-or-just-a-footnote/

He wants to legalize marijuana, abolish the IRS, and at a time when Obama and Romney are wrangling over who is the better protector of Medicare, Johnson is advocating for “raging debate” about cuts to the health-care program for seniors.

Johnson also embraces dramatic changes to the nation’s tax system. He wants to get rid of income taxes and corporate taxes and replace both with a “fair tax” on expenditures.

The former governor’s economic platform has won him the support of some fiscal conservatives, and his social positions have helped him shore up support with others. His position on drugs has earned him praise from reform advocates, and his belief that gay couples should have the right to marry has caught the attention of same-sex marriage proponents.
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old_tony · Oct 31, 2012

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Bubbler said:

hondo said:

LongTimeListener said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

LongTimeListener said:

Then you're unlike a very large portion of your party, George. And much like the abortion debate, that's just a reality you're going to have to square with yourself.
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Let R be that set of the politically inclined populace that would be considered on "the right."
Let r be that subset of R which identifies primarily with the Republican Party.
Let rr be that subset of r which would find racist jokes about President Obama (or anyone of African descent) to be funny.

It is reasonable to assume that rr is, regrettably, not a null set. By the arithmetic implied by your first post, however, rr = R.

And you're telling me I have some squaring with reality to do?
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I am telling you this: The Tea Party is in control of the GOP. The Tea Party is the birthers. So if that's your side and you're not repulsed enough to get away from that kind of hate, don't get upset that you get lumped in with it.
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Just because "you're telling us this" doesn't make it true. I know a few people who go to Tea Party rallies. They're not birthers. They tell me the vast majority of Tea Partiers are not birthers. They just think the prez has done a horseshit job. But you'll find one birther sign at some Tea Party rally in Murfreesboro and think it means they're all birthers. You're falling into just as much a conspiracy theory as the birthers are.
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The vast majority of Tea Partiers were predisposed to think Obama did a shitty job the minute he got elected.
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So they were not only patriotic, they have extrasensory abilities. You should trust them even more.

Big Circus · Oct 31, 2012

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MisterCreosote said:

cranberry said:

Given the libertarian bent of a number of folks on the board, I wonder how come Gary Johnson doesn't come up more often (at all?) in the discussion.
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I'm voting for him. And, I'm in a swing state that's polling very evenly. Suck it, whoever loses Virginia!
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Virgil Goode weeps.

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