FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Michael_ Gee · Nov 1, 2012

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If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.

LongTimeListener · Nov 1, 2012

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trifectarich said:

MisterCreosote said:

Bad news for the folks getting tired of political ads on the teevee: The campaigns have so much cash left on hand that they'll have $16 million to spend per day, and most of it is likely to go to teevee ads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/the-influence-industry-how-to-spend-over-300-million-in-a-matter-of-weeks/2012/10/31/e548029e-1f9c-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html?hpid=z10
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Serious question: Has one person ever made up their mind on who to vote for because of a TV ad?

I can understand the ability to target a lot of people in one span of 30 seconds, but after that, I just don't get it. Anyone with one ounce of literacy knows 99 percent of any political ad can't be believed.
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It can happen if the ad is very powerful. In the Prop 8 election in California, there was an ad of a wild-eyed Gavin Newsom telling the world gay marriage was going to be legal "whether you like it or not!" He was really unhinged.

I'm convinced that without that ad, Prop 8 fails and gay marriage is legal in California.

zagoshe · Nov 1, 2012

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cranberry said:

No worries. I wasn't talking about you, rather the quality of the discussion. I've seen your pathetic act enough over the year to have already written you off as a frothing-at-the-mouth, unhappy-about-everything libertarian.
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Frothing at the mouth?

Sorry, get your "liberal talking point insults" correct.

The neo-cons who hate gay people are frothing at the mouth.

Us Libertarians are just heartless bastards.

Study it, get it right.

GeorgeFHayek · Nov 1, 2012

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Baron Scicluna said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Ben_Hecht said:

This morning's latest serving of senile drool out of George Will was the whelp of a beaten cur.
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If you want to annoy a liberal, tell him the truth ...
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So why are the Republicans lying about everything then?
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Someone earlier made the point that just because someone says something you disagree with, that doesn't mean they're lying. Just because someone hides behind weasel words, that doesn't mean they're lying. President Obama says he wants to "invest" in some such thing or another. If I say it's not an investment, just a sop payment to some special interest or another, I'd still be wrong to say he's lying.

LongTimeListener · Nov 1, 2012

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Michael_ Gee said:

If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.
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Plus the deficit would grow because of the reduced tax revenue, because when you get down to it the GOP doesn't care a whit about the deficit either.

zagoshe · Nov 1, 2012

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Michael_ Gee said:

If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.
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A significant increase in poverty?

You mean, like what has happened over the last eight years through two Presidents of different colors and supposedly ideology?

old_tony · Nov 1, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

Tarheel316 said:

Double Down said:

When Zag punches himself out, tires, and slinks back to his lair, someone send up a flare. The politics thread is far more enjoyable when you don't have to shout over his "NO ONE HERE IS AS FUCKING SMART AS ME!" schtick.
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I usually disagree with Zag politically but his posts are entertaining.
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Nah, they're not. Angry Internet Guy went out about 10 years ago.
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I believe you have Zag confused with Starman and Ruckus and Champ Petty.

GeorgeFHayek · Nov 1, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

Michael_ Gee said:

If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.
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Plus the deficit would grow because of the reduced tax revenue, because when you get down to it the GOP doesn't care a whit about the deficit either.
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Either? You said either?!?!? SO YOU ADMIT IT!

Baron Scicluna · Nov 1, 2012

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zagoshe said:

In all seriousness - if Barack Obama is doing such a great job, why is a guy who won 53 percent of the popular vote and 365 electoral votes (he won by nearly 200) - a landslide by any measure - sweating out this one?

If he is doing a great job and "delivered on his promises" - shouldn't those numbers be close to holding, especially given how weak his opponent is?

Shouldn't he be, in these final days, just putting the finishing touches on the themes for his next four years instead of campaigning like a mad man to make sure he holds on?

I mean, say whatever you want about George W. Bush but his numbers in 2000 were 271 (by the skin of his teeth) and 48 percent (he actually lost popular vote by a few percentages) -- but in the 2004 election he won 286 Ev's and gained nearly three percent (he had 50.7) of the popular vote.

So his numbers got better for his second election cycle, not worse, and while I realize Obama's numbers were so good in 2008 they would be tough to duplicate, but this is a pretty drop off for a guy who has "delivered on his promises"
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Well, for one thing, Bush & Co. scared enough of the population with their "vote for the other guy and the terrorists will bomb us!" rhetoric which improved their numbers.

And the economy still isn't great, although it's been better than it was four years ago. To reverse your question, since Obama hasn't done anything, then why isn't Mitt running away with this thing?

zagoshe · Nov 1, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

trifectarich said:

MisterCreosote said:

Bad news for the folks getting tired of political ads on the teevee: The campaigns have so much cash left on hand that they'll have $16 million to spend per day, and most of it is likely to go to teevee ads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/the-influence-industry-how-to-spend-over-300-million-in-a-matter-of-weeks/2012/10/31/e548029e-1f9c-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html?hpid=z10
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Serious question: Has one person ever made up their mind on who to vote for because of a TV ad?

I can understand the ability to target a lot of people in one span of 30 seconds, but after that, I just don't get it. Anyone with one ounce of literacy knows 99 percent of any political ad can't be believed.
Click to expand...

It can happen if the ad is very powerful. In the Prop 8 election in California, there was an ad of a wild-eyed Gavin Newsom telling the world gay marriage was going to be legal "whether you like it or not!" He was really unhinged.

I'm convinced that without that ad, Prop 8 fails and gay marriage is legal in California.
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Hey and let's not forget the "Willie Horton ads" which got all the closet racists, Aryan brotherhood members and Klansmen up off their duffs and out to the polls to vote for George Bush the First and put him over the top!!!!

Dick Whitman · Nov 1, 2012

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GeorgeFHayek said:

Baron Scicluna said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Ben_Hecht said:

This morning's latest serving of senile drool out of George Will was the whelp of a beaten cur.
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If you want to annoy a liberal, tell him the truth ...
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So why are the Republicans lying about everything then?
Click to expand...

Someone earlier made the point that just because someone says something you disagree with, that doesn't mean they're lying. Just because someone hides behind weasel words, that doesn't mean they're lying. President Obama says he wants to "invest" in some such thing or another. If I say it's not an investment, just a sop payment to some special interest or another, I'd still be wrong to say he's lying.
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The "fact-checker" culture has distorted what people think of as a lie.

After the DNC, the AP one, for example, included in its fact-checking the fact that Clinton had sex with an intern, because he criticised Romney on some point or another, i.e. "Who is he to talk?" became a "lie."

LongTimeListener · Nov 1, 2012

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GeorgeFHayek said:

LongTimeListener said:

Michael_ Gee said:

If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.
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Plus the deficit would grow because of the reduced tax revenue, because when you get down to it the GOP doesn't care a whit about the deficit either.
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Either? You said either?!?!? SO YOU ADMIT IT!
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Haha! Good catch. My (unstated) point was that the GOP is the group that has been talking about the cliff we're heading over because of the deficit and of course how we cannot continue for one more day with stimulus etc. And the hypocrisy of that position.

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