FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Norrin Radd · Nov 1, 2012

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

old_tony said:

Michael_ Gee said:

If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.
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Poverty has increased significantly under Obama. Why does that not bother anyone on the left?

(And I'm not saying you're necessarily on the left. I have you pegged as pretty moderate right now.)
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Gee is moderate, except when it is time to make bad sports predictions.

zagoshe · Nov 1, 2012

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cranberry said:

We've already got Zeke sitting on the bench because it's such a rout.
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Actually Zeke prefers the friendly confines of the reach-around board because he is so emotionally invested in hero worshiping of Barrack Obama that he gets his feelings hurt any time someone points out that Obama is not a good President.

Bob Cook · Nov 1, 2012

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cranberry said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Baron Scicluna said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Ben_Hecht said:

This morning's latest serving of senile drool out of George Will was the whelp of a beaten cur.
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If you want to annoy a liberal, tell him the truth ...
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So why are the Republicans lying about everything then?
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Someone earlier made the point that just because someone says something you disagree with, that doesn't mean they're lying. Just because someone hides behind weasel words, that doesn't mean they're lying. President Obama says he wants to "invest" in some such thing or another. If I say it's not an investment, just a sop payment to some special interest or another, I'd still be wrong to say he's lying.
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A lot of people in Michigan and Ohio calling Romney a liar over his ads about GM and Chrysler this week, including GM and Chrysler. But I get the whole "weasel word" thing and I've seen plenty of wilful ignorance by politicians. So how about profound, desperate and cynical lack of truth? It doesn't jump off the tongue as nicely but I'm willing to work with it in the name of civil political discourse.
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The issue with Romney is he's moved beyond weasel words into outright lying. And he doesn't care if the media, GM, Chrysler, the UAW, anybody sets the record straight. Remember, this is the Etch-a-Sketch campaign, the campaign that wouldn't worry about the fact-checkers. Romney -- and the money (hiding behind closed doors) backing him -- are bringing outlight lies to a level we haven't seen in ages. I can't find the article at hand, but someone had noticed that while Obama and Romney were about even on the Washington Post fact-check's Pinocchio scale for most of the campaign, Romney in the last two weeks is well, well, well outdistancing Obama. This story is about his strategy in general:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romneys-kamikaze-strategy/2012/11/01/27ca3140-2435-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html?hpid=z3

Romney and the Kochs are the world are placing huge money on a bet -- that the American people are so uninformed, angry and willing to believe what they are told that they will put their likes into power merely because they have a lot more money on hand than their opponents. Hey, it's how Romney won the primaries -- fell behind, but then spent his opponents into oblivion.

Bubbler · Nov 1, 2012

Re: THE 2012 POLITICS THREAD

zagoshe said:

cranberry said:

We've already got Zeke sitting on the bench because it's such a rout.
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Actually Zeke prefers the friendly confines of the reach-around board because he is so emotionally invested in hero worshiping of Barrack Obama that he gets his feelings hurt any time someone points out that Obama is not a good President.
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You know the mental image I get when I read your posts?

You hate-fucking yourself in your own ass. And then you being full of rage because you hate-fucked yourself.

I know that's weird, but it's apt.

I Should Coco · Nov 1, 2012

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zagoshe said:

Any Presidential candidate who is not talking about these things ----

4.) Nuclear power/wind power/alternate energy and reduction of dependence on oil

---- Is not truly interested in trying to put this country back on the right track.
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I don't disagree with you, Zag ... this is an important topic that Obama and Romney have ignored.

BUT ... we're actually gaining ground on Saudi Arabia as our oil production booms:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20121031/OPINION/121030018/Another-View-Increased-oil-production-will-help-U-S-shift-energy-strategy

Ben_Hecht · Nov 1, 2012

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Baron Scicluna said:

old_tony said:

Michael_ Gee said:

If Romney is elected, I do not believe we will have war with Iran. The country doesn't want it, and the resulting $9 a gallon gasoline would sink the continued weak economic growth I believe we'll otherwise get with either guy in office.
I DO believe that Romney would result in a significant increase in poverty due to slashing government support programs, and that we'd see the same feckless administration of the government as we did under G.W. Bush, as it'd be mostly the same folks administering it.
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Poverty has increased significantly under Obama. Why does that not bother anyone on the left?

(And I'm not saying you're necessarily on the left. I have you pegged as pretty moderate right now.)
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Because people are smart enough to know the recession started under Bush. Obama was given the after-effects.
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Enough people are hip enough to know that . . . despite hilarious obfuscation and bs -- some of the richest and choicest emerging recently from the lips of good ol' Jeb.

Norrin Radd · Nov 1, 2012

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I Should Coco said:

zagoshe said:

Any Presidential candidate who is not talking about these things ----

4.) Nuclear power/wind power/alternate energy and reduction of dependence on oil

---- Is not truly interested in trying to put this country back on the right track.
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I don't disagree with you, Zag ... this is an important topic that Obama and Romney have ignored.

BUT ... we're actually gaining ground on Saudi Arabia as our oil production booms:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20121031/OPINION/121030018/Another-View-Increased-oil-production-will-help-U-S-shift-energy-strategy
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Stop it.

You are NOT supposed to have discussions with zagoshe.

Rather, you are supposed to try to one-up the others with your clever take-downs of him and his posts.

old_tony · Nov 1, 2012

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zagoshe said:

cranberry said:

We've already got Zeke sitting on the bench because it's such a rout.
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Actually Zeke prefers the friendly confines of the reach-around board because he is so emotionally invested in hero worshiping of Barrack Obama that he gets his feelings hurt any time someone points out that Obama is not a good President.
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Zeke, one of my favorite liberals here and an honest debater, prefers not to step into the raw sewage that this thread can and does develop into. His choice and his right. He's not afraid to debate at all. He's on this site on other threads, and the board is better for his presence.

GeorgeFHayek · Nov 1, 2012

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I have two words for you that totally account for the phrase "nuclear power" never appearing in utterances by President Obama or Governor Romney: Yucca Mountain.

YGBFKM · Nov 1, 2012

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Zeke is a little bitch.

LongTimeListener · Nov 1, 2012

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Suck it, Silver and stats! Republicans are 6-0 on Nov. 6.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/30/The-Streak-Republicans-Have-Won-Every-November-6th-Presidential-Election-Since-1860

Ben_Hecht · Nov 1, 2012

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Bob Cook said:

cranberry said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Baron Scicluna said:

GeorgeFHayek said:

Ben_Hecht said:

This morning's latest serving of senile drool out of George Will was the whelp of a beaten cur.
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If you want to annoy a liberal, tell him the truth ...
Click to expand...

So why are the Republicans lying about everything then?
Click to expand...

Someone earlier made the point that just because someone says something you disagree with, that doesn't mean they're lying. Just because someone hides behind weasel words, that doesn't mean they're lying. President Obama says he wants to "invest" in some such thing or another. If I say it's not an investment, just a sop payment to some special interest or another, I'd still be wrong to say he's lying.
Click to expand...

A lot of people in Michigan and Ohio calling Romney a liar over his ads about GM and Chrysler this week, including GM and Chrysler. But I get the whole "weasel word" thing and I've seen plenty of wilful ignorance by politicians. So how about profound, desperate and cynical lack of truth? It doesn't jump off the tongue as nicely but I'm willing to work with it in the name of civil political discourse.
Click to expand...

The issue with Romney is he's moved beyond weasel words into outright lying. And he doesn't care if the media, GM, Chrysler, the UAW, anybody sets the record straight. Remember, this is the Etch-a-Sketch campaign, the campaign that wouldn't worry about the fact-checkers. Romney -- and the money (hiding behind closed doors) backing him -- are bringing outlight lies to a level we haven't seen in ages. I can't find the article at hand, but someone had noticed that while Obama and Romney were about even on the Washington Post fact-check's Pinocchio scale for most of the campaign, Romney in the last two weeks is well, well, well outdistancing Obama. This story is about his strategy in general:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romneys-kamikaze-strategy/2012/11/01/27ca3140-2435-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html?hpid=z3

Romney and the Kochs are the world are placing huge money on a bet -- that the American people are so uninformed, angry and willing to believe what they are told that they will put their likes into power merely because they have a lot more money on hand than their opponents. Hey, it's how Romney won the primaries -- fell behind, but then spent his opponents into oblivion.
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Boy, do you get it. It's working in North Carolina, and I fully-expect it to work in Florida. Colorado's tigher than a tick. After that, we likee.

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