FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

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Whatta relevant stat (?!) . . .

Monkeys at typewriters . . .

 

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Bob, you are one of my favorite people on this board, but you do realize that the last part is a concise breakdown of how both parties have been doing business for decades, right? The screechers and the dipshits in both corners are one thing, but when smart people truly believe that there exists a side that actually WANTS voters to be informed, I just shake my head. Money and misinformation is the two-headed monster of modern politics. Neither is much good without the other, and paired together correctly, they are incredibly lethal/effective.

 

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Zag, your political platform is coherent and although I disagree with parts of it, it's certainly not the worst national agenda out there.

PS: Just went on pollster.com and looked at two Rasmussen polls posted today saying it's tied in Wisconsin and Romney's up one in Iowa. Each poll also had Obama with an approval rating over 50 percent -- 60 percent in Iowa!

Hey, these polls could be right, who the hell knows? But the job-approval vs. votes discrepancy would be one for the books.

 

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......or at least since the winning campaign in 1992 and 1996

 

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I'm not entirely clear on how "libertarian" is an improvement over "conservative."

That's like saying "I'm not a publisher, I'm a newspaper corporate executive."

Your explanation is making it worse.

 

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Because the two aren't the same or even close to the same.

Libertarians want less government.

Conservatives claim they want less government, then vote for and support more government.

 

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Further, liberals and conservatives alike share in their love for a huge federal government and nanny state, they just have different ideas about what areas of our lives the government needs to bully us.....

 

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Love the uproar over Christie. Anti-labor lout that he is, he's still carried a good deal of Romney's water campaigning for the man this fall. But he laid his cards down when he turned down the VP slot under Mitt (ummmmm, no), and again displayed his handicapping acumen this week, while assuring himself white-glove treatment from the administration in the bargain. No dummy.

 

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I agree money is a problem, especially in the new Citizens United landscape, but there's plenty of good information available for anyone who has the intellectual curiosity to go find it. Romney has taken "lack of truth" to a new level in recent days with regard to the auto industry, though. Smells like desperation. As I mentioned last night, it also makes him look like he's rooting for failure of an American industry.

 

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So what are you saying - the Republicans are going to run Gov. Christie out there as their latest candidate four years from now?

Oh Christ, they might as well bring McCain back from the dead - of course, without the big breasted, annoying nasal twanged MILF as his side car......

 

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No doubt, my vowel-free friend, I have no illusions that somehow every politician was the paragon of truth in campaigning before today. After all, I live in a state whose previous two governors before the current occupant are currently sitting in prison.

If Romney/Koch et al are bringing it to another level, it's because Citizens United loosened the pursestrings considerably, making it possible to bury the electorate in metric tons of bullshit before anyone can think to grab a shovel. And, also, because Romney HAS to lie about the auto bailout and its aftermath because on the one hand his Tea Party supporters demand he say it's a bad thing, but on the other hand the people of Ohio, feeling they are gainfully employed because of it, won't put into office anyone who says it was bad. So Romney has to construct an alternate reality where no matter if the bailout were right or wrong, it's just sending your job to China anyway.

Of course, Romney isn't completely stupid to place his bets like that, because most voters don't take that much time to get informed. My 13-year-old daughter was telling me the presumed "stupid" reasons why people in her social-studies class liked Obama or Romney, and I had to sadly inform her that those were still better arguments that a lot of adults make for either guy.

 

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Speaking of desperation setting in - this is basically the new "negative talking point" for a side who should have won this thing long ago on the merits of the candidates record, you know, because he "delivered on his promises"