FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Azrael · Nov 5, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

Not sure how any of what you posted relates to the specific story I linked.
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My point is that if say Sanchez or Karpinski had been fired, there would have been a political shit storm.
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So? There have been political consequences to military staffing decisions for 2500 years.

Greenhorn · Nov 5, 2012

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The infuriating rightwing nonsense of Ryan continues:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/04/14927414-ryan-says-obamas-policies-threaten-judeo-christian-values?lite

YankeeFan · Nov 5, 2012

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Azrael said:

YankeeFan said:

Azrael said:

Not sure how any of what you posted relates to the specific story I linked.
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My point is that if say Sanchez or Karpinski had been fired, there would have been a political shit storm.
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OK. That's a fair point. But, I think politicians would prefer to avoid the controversy when possible, and the results can be pretty bad because of it.

Let's look at something else too. Does America demand excellence anywhere today?

Do we demand it from teachers (or students)? Do we demand it from politicians or factory workers?

People criticize Stuyvesant High School for being too Asian, and relying strictly on a test for admission.

Unions defend against firing (or even ranking/grading) poor teachers.

We don't keep score in youth soccer games.

Is it any wonder that mediocrity has become the norm in the military and the Academies?

So? There have been political consequences to military staffing decisions for 2500 years.
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Inky_Wretch · Nov 5, 2012

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I'm thinking Romney wins with 277 EV. I hope I'm wrong, but I think the turnout will favor him.

LongTimeListener · Nov 5, 2012

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Inky_Wretch said:

I'm thinking Romney wins with 277 EV. I hope I'm wrong, but I think the turnout will favor him.
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This wouldn't shock me. The states where there are wide swaths of red and a couple of blue big cities -- Wisconsin and Ohio -- I am going to be looking for reports about what voting is like in those cities. We've already seen reports of six-hour waits in Florida.

Dick Whitman · Nov 5, 2012

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Two people whose jobs are on the line tomorrow: Barack Obama and Nate Silver.

MileHigh · Nov 5, 2012

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Inky_Wretch said:

I'm thinking Romney wins with 277 EV. I hope I'm wrong, but I think the turnout will favor him.
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Ya know, I was thinking of this yesterday and again this morning, and watching and listening that the polls and talking heads are all but saying Obama will win -- and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Romney wins and the reaction is like that the day after the first debate. Honestly, at this point, nothing would surprise me.

Tarheel316 · Nov 5, 2012

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Moderator1 said:

YankeeFan said:

So, when does this thread get cut off? When the polls close; when the networks call it; when the SCOTUS issues it's ruling, deciding the election?

Should we congratulate ourselves now for a mostly fun, if somewhat raucous, thread?
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The original plan was Friday, so winners could gloat and losers could gripe and plot for 2016 and complain how much the next four years will suck. However, it has gone pretty well. We may keep it open a while longer since it has worked reasonably well.

I will say this: I only check in now and then. I may take some time and go back and if I see someone has posted here without following the rules, do something. We made a couple simple requests and most of you have followed to the letter. If you are one who hasn't, well, remedy that please

We do appreciate it.
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Please leave it open. Politics never ends. There's a sock puppet on here stirring the pot but he's mostly comic relief.

Michael_ Gee · Nov 5, 2012

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I get extremely anxious about elections, and this one is no exception, so I am spending 90 percent of my time envisioning a Romney win. It's surely possible, but it would be an upset. But deep down in the one percent or so of me that's rational, I think anybody who isn't nervous about this election, no matter which candidate they support, just doesn't care that much about it. The thing is that damn close.

Dick Whitman · Nov 5, 2012

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Michael_ Gee said:

I get extremely anxious about elections, and this one is no exception, so I am spending 90 percent of my time envisioning a Romney win. It's surely possible, but it would be an upset. But deep down in the one percent or so of me that's rational, I think anybody who isn't nervous about this election, no matter which candidate they support, just doesn't care that much about it. The thing is that damn close.
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I just don't get the feeling that it is. One or 2 percent might sound like a lot to us in a state. Or even 3 or 4 percent. But those are tens of thousands of voters who have to be flipped in the last 24 hours. That's a lot of work to do.

I don't think it's that close.

Obama comfortably.

Inky_Wretch · Nov 5, 2012

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Dick Whitman said:

Two people whose jobs are on the line tomorrow: Barack Obama and Nate Silver.
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Ehh, I see Silver like a bookie or poker player. He's gathered a lot of info, done the math and decided on the probabilities of a certain outcome. More often than not, he's going to be right. But every so often the underdog hits the Hail Mary or draws a one-outer for a gutshot straight.

LongTimeListener · Nov 5, 2012

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Inky_Wretch said:

Dick Whitman said:

Two people whose jobs are on the line tomorrow: Barack Obama and Nate Silver.
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Ehh, I see Silver like a bookie or poker player. He's gathered a lot of info, done the math and decided on the probabilities of a certain outcome. More often than not, he's going to be right. But every so often the underdog hits the Hail Mary or draws a one-outer for a gutshot straight.
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Oh no. Silver has become the Enemy Of The Right. And if they win they're taking his scalp.

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