FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Uncle.Ruckus · Nov 5, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

If I'm overestimating it, so are lawyers and experts throughout California, because that's the general opinion from all sides of how this law will apply.
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I don't believe you. I'm going with the guy who's basing his knowledge on a wikipedia entry.

YankeeFan · Nov 5, 2012

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dooley_womack1 said:

when you join a union, you agree to have your money go toward whatever purpose.
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So, can I assume you are "pro-choice" when it comes to whether or not joining a union should be a condition of employment?

dooley_womack1 · Nov 5, 2012

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If it's part of the contract or law that a new worker has to join a union to work somewhere, I'm with that. Without that, might as well get out the road grader and crush unions into nonexistence. That said, people have opted out of unions when allowed. Pretty stupid of them.

But that's right, I guss: businesses can form trade associations or whatever the hell they want, but if workers want to form unions....

LongTimeListener · Nov 5, 2012

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As for all the exemptions, Prop. 32 spokesman Jake Suski says, "We're going as far as federal law allows, as far as constitutionally possible."

That sure sounds like a group that won't try to make use of a loophole exempting a hedge fund or LLC from this regulation, doesn't it?

old_tony · Nov 5, 2012

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

LongTimeListener said:

The most recent studies of voter fraud show that there is something like a 0.01 percent chance that it's happening. All of the examples cited in revelations have been debunked.

If you can produce something relevant to today's world, I'd be happy to read it, but I don't think you're going to find anything.
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/steve_schmidt_voter_fraud_mythology.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

It's a Republican canard invented to scare white people.
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http://media2.620wtmj.com/breakingnews/ElectionResults_2004_VoterFraudInvestigation_MPD-SIU-A2474926.pdf

Flying Headbutt · Nov 5, 2012

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trifectarich said:

If Dick Morris wants to back his prediction with a wager worth a couple of bucks, I hope he still has my number.
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Are you a former call girl or something?

YankeeFan · Nov 5, 2012

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dooley_womack1 said:

If it's part of the contract or law that a new worker has to join a union to work somewhere, I'm with that.
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Why?

Honestly, wouldn't you be pissed if you were forced to join a union (or any organization), and fork over money to them, only to see them use it to support a candidate or cause you opposed?

LongTimeListener · Nov 5, 2012

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old_tony said:

Uncle.Ruckus said:

LongTimeListener said:

The most recent studies of voter fraud show that there is something like a 0.01 percent chance that it's happening. All of the examples cited in revelations have been debunked.

If you can produce something relevant to today's world, I'd be happy to read it, but I don't think you're going to find anything.
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/steve_schmidt_voter_fraud_mythology.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

It's a Republican canard invented to scare white people.
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http://media2.620wtmj.com/breakingnews/ElectionResults_2004_VoterFraudInvestigation_MPD-SIU-A2474926.pdf
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http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/may/31/reince-priebus/voter-fraud-means-gop-candidates-wisconsin-need-do/

The task force found numerous problems in the voting process that could lead to fraudulent voting. The report concluded by saying the task force "believes that there was fraud committed in the 2004 election, but as one investigator stated, ‘I know I voted in the election, but I can’t be certain it counted.’"

Police Chief Edward Flynn distanced himself from the report, however, saying it contained the views of the investigators, not the department.

dooley_womack1 · Nov 5, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

dooley_womack1 said:

If it's part of the contract or law that a new worker has to join a union to work somewhere, I'm with that.
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Why?

Honestly, wouldn't you be pissed if you were forced to join a union (or any organization), and fork over money to them, only to see them use it to support a candidate or cause you opposed?
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Nope. I'm not stupid enough to not see the big picture. My union could be donating to Romney, for all I care. And with that, I've said my peace. Not wasting any more countdown posts on this debate that was settled in the 1930s.

Inky_Wretch · Nov 5, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

dooley_womack1 said:

If it's part of the contract or law that a new worker has to join a union to work somewhere, I'm with that.
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Why?

Honestly, wouldn't you be pissed if you were forced to join a union (or any organization), and fork over money to them, only to see them use it to support a candidate or cause you opposed?
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If enough people are pissed at the union's leadership, can't they vote to change it?

Azrael · Nov 5, 2012

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nmmetsfan said:

Azrael said:

nmmetsfan said:

LongTimeListener said:

The GOP has been waging a four-year fight to make sure black people and Mexicans don't vote.
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Why wouldn't they? Most black people and Mexicans aren't voting Republican, so why would the GOP want them voting?

And there have never been instances where Democrats paid people to vote, or had someone vote posing as someone else (including, but not limited to dead people). I'm sure that all never happens.
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Do you have an example of it happening lately?
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So you're not denying it's happened in the past and you're confident it's not happening currently? Because the pattern of behavior is so unbelievable? That's sticking your head in the sand.
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I'm asking you if you have a recent example of Democratic voter fraud.

Apparently you do not.

YankeeFan · Nov 5, 2012

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Look at the transcript:

In the interview conducted on Sept. 12, Steve Kroft of "60 Minutes" asked the president about his remarks in the Rose Garden: "Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya Attack, do you believe that this was a terrorism attack?," Kroft asked.

"Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans," Obama said.

Confusion over when Obama called the attack an "act of terror" was one of the most significant moments of the second presidential debate on Oct. 16. But when CBS aired footage of the interview three days later, they omitted the aforementioned exchange from the package.

"The thing that is most egregious about CBS is that they edited out the part of the interview that would have undermined him after the second debate," Gingrich told POLITICO. "The first question is why did they release it? Once they had decided not to air it, the decision to release it just before the election is weird. What was the decision process at CBS? The second question is, why didn't they decide to release it after the debate? They only released half of his remarks, which was explicitly misleading."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/cbs-under-fire-for-withholding-obamas-benghazi-remarks-148513.html?hp=r3
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So, when given the chance, the day after his Rose Garden comments, the President did not call it a terrorist attack.

I'm sure there's a good reason CBS held this until now.

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