FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Armchair_QB · Nov 5, 2012

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YGBFKM said:

Just think how awful liberals will be the next time their guy loses an election. Probably won't happen tomorrow, but that just means at least four more years of building up anger, bitterness and hate.
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Well they're alreadly accusing the GOP of cheating on election day and we're not even fucking there yet.

What else do you expect from an intellectually bankrupt political party?

YGBFKM · Nov 5, 2012

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Newpaper endorsements and union support of specific candidates are not even in the same universe.

Baron Scicluna · Nov 5, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

So, when additional reporting comes out on Benghazi after the election, and it proves damaging to the Administration, I should just assume that's a coincidence, right?

How about Sandy coverage? Does anyone doubt that we'll hear more horror stories after Tuesday?
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If Romney wins, it'll be interesting to see how much Benghazi reporting there is, especially with Fox.

Uncle.Ruckus · Nov 5, 2012

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exmediahack said:

The President is a self-made man. I will give him that.

Yet his success has gone, almost entirely, to himself. He rode out ambition and a really cool name to a speech eight years ago that sold millions of copies of an autobiography.

But I ask: what has Barack Obama made better... aside from Barack Obama? Is his district in Chicago any safer? Economic opportunities any better? Has he spent his efforts really trying to improve the lives of others... or to win the next election?

He is a self-made man. Very much so. But, in his overall effectiveness, he is the political version of the post-retirement Isiah Thomas. Everything he touches turns to crap.
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26 million people with health insurance disagree.

Baron Scicluna · Nov 5, 2012

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YGBFKM said:

Newpaper endorsements and union support of specific candidates are not even in the same universe.
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Sure they are. The point that YF made was that unions may support candidates that their members may not support. Through endorsements, newspapers may support candidates that their workers may not support. Same difference.

Armchair_QB · Nov 5, 2012

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YGBFKM said:

Barack Obama is apparently the only person ever to achieve things on his own.
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He didn't build that.

GeorgeFHayek · Nov 5, 2012

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Baron Scicluna said:

YankeeFan said:

dooley_womack1 said:

If it's part of the contract or law that a new worker has to join a union to work somewhere, I'm with that.
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Why?

Honestly, wouldn't you be pissed if you were forced to join a union (or any organization), and fork over money to them, only to see them use it to support a candidate or cause you opposed?
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I'll use the same reasoning that the pro-biz people on here have used before. If they don't like it, they're free to leave the union and find a different job.

I may not like it how a business uses my labor to make money to support another candidate, or I may not like who the paper endorses. But, as I've been told several times on here before, I'm free to leave at any time.

Heck, I've even been told on here that, since I'm a journalist, that if a company doesn't want me to sign a petition or put a bumper sticker on my car, that they have the right to do so, and I'm free to leave at any time. Even though their endorsements may bring the same complaints of reporting bias from their readers.
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I think you're missing an important point here: Why should you be forced, as a condition of your employment, to contribute financially to politicians and/or causes you don't personally support? If you're OK with that, fine, but let's be clear what we're talking about here. And if you are OK with that, then I would assume you'd be OK with your employer holding back a bit of your paycheck to make that whole contributing thing a bit easier.

Johnny Dangerously · Nov 5, 2012

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3OctaveFart said:

Priority No. 1 is getting rid of the dipshit in office, tomorrow.
Then the conservatives and Tea Party types need to start pressuring Romney to act like a real Republican.
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What does a real Republican act like?

YankeeFan · Nov 5, 2012

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Baron Scicluna said:

I'll use the same reasoning that the pro-biz people on here have used before. If they don't like it, they're free to leave the union and find a different job.

I may not like it how a business uses my labor to make money to support another candidate, or I may not like who the paper endorses. But, as I've been told several times on here before, I'm free to leave at any time.

Heck, I've even been told on here that, since I'm a journalist, that if a company doesn't want me to sign a petition or put a bumper sticker on my car, that they have the right to do so, and I'm free to leave at any time. Even though their endorsements may bring the same complaints of reporting bias from their readers.
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I'm looking for a valid comparison here.

Your employer doesn't require you to give them money to spend on politicians and political issues.

You're compensated for your labor. It's a fair exchange. You are no more entitled to have a say in how they spend their money, than they are to have a say in how you spend your money.

YGBFKM · Nov 5, 2012

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Baron, the difference is money. I'm surprised an economics expert like yourself doesn't understand that.

GeorgeFHayek · Nov 5, 2012

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Baron Scicluna said:

YGBFKM said:

Newpaper endorsements and union support of specific candidates are not even in the same universe.
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Sure they are. The point that YF made was that unions may support candidates that their members may not support. Through endorsements, newspapers may support candidates that their workers may not support. Same difference.
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Huge, apples to orangutans difference.

Uncle.Ruckus · Nov 5, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

I'll use the same reasoning that the pro-biz people on here have used before. If they don't like it, they're free to leave the union and find a different job.

I may not like it how a business uses my labor to make money to support another candidate, or I may not like who the paper endorses. But, as I've been told several times on here before, I'm free to leave at any time.

Heck, I've even been told on here that, since I'm a journalist, that if a company doesn't want me to sign a petition or put a bumper sticker on my car, that they have the right to do so, and I'm free to leave at any time. Even though their endorsements may bring the same complaints of reporting bias from their readers.
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I'm looking for a valid comparison here.

Your employer doesn't require you to give them money to spend on politicians and political issues.

You're compensated for your labor. It's a fair exchange. You are no more entitled to have a say in how they spend their money, than they are to have a say in how you spend your money.
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They do have a say in how we spend our money. Pity my last day is Election Day. I would have liked to donate to Obama.

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