FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Inky_Wretch · Oct 1, 2012

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Uh oh, seems Chris Christie is a RINO now.

“I’m not going to sit here and complain about coverage of the campaign. As a candidate, if you do that, you’re losing.” That bit of trenchant analysis comes from deep inside the Republican tent: Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/business/media/challenging-the-claims-of-media-bias-the-media-equation.html?ref=business&_r=0&pagewanted=all

Alma · Oct 1, 2012

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MisterCreosote said:

Norrin Radd said:

Meatie Pie said:

A destructive fringe element of the GOP. Let's be honest, these people are basically nihilists. Their goal really isn't better government.
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Sure.

Which is why I laugh when they get so much attention, from media, the GOP, the people who oppose the GOP, the people who oppose them . . . they've managed to become a major part of the narrative without really accomplishing anything long-term.
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They're basically the right's version of the Green Party, meaning they will be a completely irrelevant fringe movement soon.
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The Green Party didn't have a TV network propping it up.

Tom Petty · Oct 1, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

LongTimeListener said:

Hmmm. I'm sure failing to realize Baron was talking about Iraq was an accidental oversight on your part.
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So, deaths under Obama don't matter?
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what happened the first time when we just up and left iraq? how many innocent people who supported our presence were butchered after we hit the pavement? as much as i hate to say it, we picked that damn fight in iraq and had to see it through to the end. sorry obama didn't repeat another bush mistake.

Alma · Oct 1, 2012

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Inky_Wretch said:

Somebody is going to lose his gig at AEI writing things like this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/why-obamacare-is-a-conservatives-dream.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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I'm as anti-abortion rights as they come -- I am also not a Republican -- but these grafs are basically dead on:

<i>Clear away all the demagogy and scare tactics, and Obamacare is, at its core, Romneycare across state lines. But today’s Republicans dare not own anything built on principles of economic conservatism, if it also protects one of the four horsemen of the social conservatives’ apocalypse: coverage for the full spectrum of women’s reproductive health, from birth control to abortion.

Social conservatives’ hostility to the health care act is a natural corollary to their broader agenda of controlling women’s bodies. These are not the objections of traditional “conservatives,” but of agitators for prying, invasive government — the very things they project, erroneously, onto the workings of the president’s plan. Decrying the legislation for interfering in the doctor-patient relationship, while seeking to pass grossly intrusive laws involving the OB-GYN-patient relationship, is one of the more bizarre disconnects in American politics. </i>

The coupling of evangelical Christianity and the Republican Party will do, in the long run, no favors for either side. It's badly hurt Christians' testimonies in some parts of the country.

Tarheel316 · Oct 1, 2012

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Starman said:

Riptide said:

It will be interesting to see how the Repugs regroup if they lose to Obama again. I can't imagine another four years of their divisive behavior in Congress.
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The teabaggers do not believe the government works, they do not believe it CAN work, they do not WANT it to work, and, as they have since 2008, they will do everything possible to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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It would be even scarier if the GOP took complete power and enacted all its social Darwinist garbage. Then you could see the unrest TP is talking about. Paul Ryan is the enemy within and I'm more than willing to question his patriotism.

Norrin Radd · Oct 1, 2012

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Tarheel316 said:

Starman said:

Riptide said:

It will be interesting to see how the Repugs regroup if they lose to Obama again. I can't imagine another four years of their divisive behavior in Congress.
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The teabaggers do not believe the government works, they do not believe it CAN work, they do not WANT it to work, and, as they have since 2008, they will do everything possible to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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It would be even scarier if the GOP took complete power and enacted all its social Darwinist garbage. Then you could see the unrest TP is talking about. Paul Ryan is the enemy within and I'm more than willing to question his patriotism.
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Yes, they might even appoint judges that repeal Roe vs. Wade!

Baron Scicluna · Oct 1, 2012

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I don't know whether to laugh, or cry from laughing too much.

An open letter asking the public ... "To tune out the Libruhl media!"

Signed by the usual suspects, including Rush. You know, the guy who makes $42 million a year, yet is too chickenshit to allow liberals to call into his show.

http://www.mrc.org/press-releases/bozell-and-conservative-leaders-call-public-tune-out-liberal-media

Azrael · Oct 1, 2012

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MisterCreosote said:

I say build two soundproof domes. Put all far-right conservatives in one, and all far-left liberals in the other. That way, they can grumble amongst themselves about how looney the other side is, and leave the rest of us moderates to go about our business.
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Honest question, MC. What do you think of as a 'far-left liberal?'

I'm not sure America really has any - at least none that are organized as a political entity.

RickStain · Oct 1, 2012

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Wouldn't get much business done with all the self-congratulatory backslapping moderates would be giving themselves for being so awesomely, independently moderate.

Azrael · Oct 1, 2012

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Very fair answer. Thank you.

GeorgeFHayek · Oct 1, 2012

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MisterCreosote said:

I tend to think of Keynesians as "far-left," for one example.
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There's nothing about the Keynesian approach that necessarily implies far left. The road to serfdom can be entered from the right shoulder just as easily.

YankeeFan · Oct 1, 2012

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The hostility of the super rich:

he growing antagonism of the super-wealthy toward Obama can seem mystifying, since Obama has served the rich quite well. His Administration supported the seven-hundred-billion-dollar TARP rescue package for Wall Street, and resisted calls from the Nobel Prize winners Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, and others on the left, to nationalize the big banks in exchange for that largesse. At the end of September, the S. & P. 500, the benchmark U.S. stock index, had rebounded to just 6.9 per cent below its all-time pre-crisis high, on October 9, 2007. The economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty have found that ninety-three per cent of the gains during the 2009-10 recovery went to the top one per cent of earners. Those seated around the table at dinner with Al Gore had done even better: the top 0.01 per cent captured thirty-seven per cent of the total recovery pie, with a rebound in their incomes of more than twenty per cent, which amounted to an additional $4.2 million each.

Notwithstanding Occupy Wall Street’s focus on the “one per cent,” or Obama’s choice of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars as the level at which taxes on family income should rise, the salient dividing line between rich and not rich is much higher up the income-distribution scale. Hostility toward the President is particularly strident among the ultra-rich.

This is the group that has benefitted most from the winner-take-all economy: the 0.1 per cent, whose share of the national income was 7.8 per cent in 2009, according to I.R.S. data. Moreover, even as the shifting tides of the global economy have rewarded the richest while squeezing the middle class, the U.S. tax system has favored the very top, as the tax returns of the Republican Presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, have illustrated. In 2011, Romney paid an effective tax rate of just 14.1 per cent, and his income of $13.7 million places him in the 0.01-per-cent group.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/08/121008fa_fact_freeland#ixzz283cohEGx
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