FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

Tarheel316 · Oct 3, 2012

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

Wait ... Obama is black?!
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You're kidding ...

Greenhorn · Oct 3, 2012

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I'll skip the debates as always. I've never found them particularly edifying and would never base a vote (or have it influenced by) on a series of debate performances.

Ben_Hecht · Oct 3, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

YankeeFan said:

Bob Cook said:

To me, the onus is on Romney as the challenger, and as the one who is behind.
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People are willing to vote against Obama. Romney needs to convince them he's not a robot, and that he can make things better.

Now, that might be hard to do, but it's not like people are wedded to Obama. They're ripe for the taking.
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Someday I want to visit this underground world you've discovered.

The undecided numbers are already lower than they've ever been. And that includes the people who say they're undecided but really aren't. This is by far the longest presidential campaign the country has ever had and the most exposure each candidate has ever had within a campaign.
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It's almost as funny as Joe Scarborough actually thinking he's presidential timber.

Ben_Hecht · Oct 3, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

YankeeFan said:

Riptide said:

I would watch the debate only to see if Romney can think on his feet while having to match wits with Obama.
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Yeah, that will be interesting to see:

Even by President Obama's loquacious standards, an answer he gave here on health care Friday was a doozy.

Toward the end of a question-and-answer session with workers at an advanced battery technology manufacturer, a woman named Doris stood to ask the president whether it was a "wise decision to add more taxes to us with the health care" package.

"We are over-taxed as it is," Doris said bluntly.

Obama started out feisty. "Well, let's talk about that, because this is an area where there's been just a whole lot of misinformation, and I'm going to have to work hard over the next several months to clean up a lot of the misapprehensions that people have," the president said.

He then spent the next 17 minutes and 12 seconds lulling the crowd into a daze. His discursive answer - more than 2,500 words long -- wandered from topic to topic, including commentary on the deficit, pay-as-you-go rules passed by Congress, Congressional Budget Office reports on Medicare waste, COBRA coverage, the Recovery Act and Federal Medical Assistance Percentages (he referred to this last item by its inside-the-Beltway name, "F-Map"). He talked about the notion of eliminating foreign aid (not worth it, he said). He invoked Warren Buffett, earmarks and the payroll tax that funds Medicare (referring to it, in fluent Washington lingo, as "FICA").

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/04/obamas-17-minute-2500-word-res.html
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Every time YF posts, I think about this Marlo scene:

"You want it to be one way. You want it to be one way. You want it to be one way. ... But it's the other way."

OK, I figure every SportsJournalists.com running thread needs a "The Wire" reference, so now we are covered.
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Rove and Hunchback Dick Morris are the champs of going through life in this mode.

YankeeFan · Oct 3, 2012

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LongTimeListener said:

Someday I want to visit this underground world you've discovered.

The undecided numbers are already lower than they've ever been. And that includes the people who say they're undecided but really aren't. This is by far the longest presidential campaign the country has ever had and the most exposure each candidate has ever had within a campaign.
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Take a look at the Right Track/Wrong Track numbers:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Now, tell me people aren't open to voting for someone else.

GoochMan · Oct 3, 2012

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This is a choice election now. The referendum went out the door the minute Ryan became the VP nominee.
Right track/wrong track is just not enough on its own, especially when the minute details from the challenger make many people think it will be worse with his plan.

You actually have to show yourself to be a real alternative, with your own ideas and agenda that you aren't afraid to lay out to the voting public in detail. Banking your prospects merely on voting out the other guy is just not enough. Call it the Kerry Rule.

YankeeFan · Oct 3, 2012

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Bob Cook said:

Also, even if Romney wins, the GOP can't possibly run another presidential campaign where it focuses it message squarely on white males. The demographics won't allow it, and already Romney is losing what little ground he had with the fastest-growing demo -- Hispanics. From the Washington Post:
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The Republican Party has never been an alliance of various constituencies, like the Democrat party is.

We're not going to pander to Latino voters or single women.

What we need to do is to preach, and sell the Conservative message. Conservatism empowers all Americans.

Ronald Reagan said, "Latinos that they are Republicans; they just don't know it yet."

And, folks like Marco Rubio will help convince them.

YankeeFan · Oct 3, 2012

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GoochMan said:

You actually have to show yourself to be a real alternative, ...
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I don't disagree. Hopefully, Romney can convince some folks -- beginning tonight -- that he is a real alternative.

If he does, he can win the election.

LongTimeListener · Oct 3, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

LongTimeListener said:

Someday I want to visit this underground world you've discovered.

The undecided numbers are already lower than they've ever been. And that includes the people who say they're undecided but really aren't. This is by far the longest presidential campaign the country has ever had and the most exposure each candidate has ever had within a campaign.
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Take a look at the Right Track/Wrong Track numbers:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Now, tell me people aren't open to voting for someone else.
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This is really an incredibly dumb response.

Right track/wrong track is not a question about the president. "Who will you vote for in the presidential election" is a question about the president. Find a poll that leaves any indication that there is a wide swath of undecided voters out there.

LongTimeListener · Oct 3, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

GoochMan said:

You actually have to show yourself to be a real alternative, ...
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I don't disagree. Hopefully, Romney can convince some folks -- beginning tonight -- that he is a real alternative.

If he does, he can win the election.
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Really, man, what in the fuck have the last 12 months been about?

Smallpotatoes · Oct 3, 2012

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YankeeFan said:

Bob Cook said:

Also, even if Romney wins, the GOP can't possibly run another presidential campaign where it focuses it message squarely on white males. The demographics won't allow it, and already Romney is losing what little ground he had with the fastest-growing demo -- Hispanics. From the Washington Post:
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The Republican Party has never been an alliance of various constituencies, like the Democrat party is.

We're not going to pander to Latino voters or single women.

What we need to do is to preach, and sell the Conservative message. Conservatism empowers all Americans.

Ronald Reagan said, "Latinos that they are Republicans; they just don't know it yet."

And, folks like Marco Rubio will help convince them.
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Any particular reason why you say "Democrat" party instead of "Democratic"?

Uncle.Ruckus · Oct 3, 2012

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Because you point it out, so he knows it bothers you. I've just come to mock him for it.

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