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Uncle.Ruckus · Oct 4, 2012

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exmediahack said:

I think this does show Obama's weakness when confronted. He thrives on friendly crowds, college gyms, softball questions. This is the first real campaign where he isn't treated as some special man with "great upside". Politically speaking, Obama is like the 5-0 college football team that won four I-AA games to open the season and won the conference opener at home against a second-division team (McCain).

Romney's record as a candidate isn't spectacular. But he won Massachusetts and survived a nasty primary where he didn't get a free ride from the media.

When Obama is taken, not as a celebrity but as a man with a record, he struggles.
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Yeah, he did a piss-poor job defeating Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

Or is it your argument it was all massages and blowjobs from them in 2008?

Because either way, you're an idiot.

hondo · Oct 4, 2012

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

hondo said:

Well, you're trying to sell me that Romney lied. I don't agree. Just because you say it's a lie don't make it so.
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Does a Romney adviser admitting Romney lied about preexisting conditions count as a lie?
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How do you know it's a lie. Isn't there such a thing as making a mistake?
Did Obama lie when he said he'd have unemployment below 8 percent and cut the deficit when he got elected? Hasn't happened. Does that make him a liar?

Liut · Oct 4, 2012

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MileHigh said:

I had a meeting and I'm about 25 minutes in and I've avoided Facebook and this thread but ... Jim Leher needs to be put down like Old Yeller.
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You should have seen him lecturing the audience, then attempting humor prior to the debate on CSPAN. I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Lehrer, but this should be his swan song.

Mark2010 · Oct 4, 2012

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exmediahack said:

I think this does show Obama's weakness when confronted. He thrives on friendly crowds, college gyms, softball questions. This is the first real campaign where he isn't treated as some special man with "great upside". Politically speaking, Obama is like the 5-0 college football team that won four I-AA games to open the season and won the conference opener at home against a second-division team (McCain).

Romney's record as a candidate isn't spectacular. But he won Massachusetts and survived a nasty primary where he didn't get a free ride from the media.

When Obama is taken, not as a celebrity but as a man with a record, he struggles.
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Four years ago, he ran as a challenger on a psychological platform of "Hope and Change". This time around he has a mixed-bag record to defend, while Romney gets to go on the attack and take shots at him.

Easier to be the challenger sometime.

Uncle.Ruckus · Oct 4, 2012

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hondo said:

Uncle.Ruckus said:

hondo said:

Well, you're trying to sell me that Romney lied. I don't agree. Just because you say it's a lie don't make it so.
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Does a Romney adviser admitting Romney lied about preexisting conditions count as a lie?
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How do you know it's a lie. Isn't there such a thing as making a mistake?
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So Romney was mistaken when he said his plan would cover those with preexisting conditions?

Mark2010 · Oct 4, 2012

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hondo said:

Mark2010 said:

You know, I made a lot more money last year than I did during the Reagan years.

Never mind that rent, gas, groceries and everything else is a hell of a lot more expensive, too. But, hey, my salary has quadrupled in 25 years.

Everything's relative.
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Could the simple reason be that the last Reagan year was 1988 (24 years ago) and you've been in the work force 24 years longer, have gotten promoted, gotten raises or moved up to better jobs?
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Yeah, that is my point. That you can't simply look at two sets of numbers and draw solid conclusion solely from that. It seems that is what Romney tries sometimes with his numbers.

Armchair_QB · Oct 4, 2012

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exmediahack said:

I think this does show Obama's weakness when confronted. He thrives on friendly crowds, college gyms, softball questions. This is the first real campaign where he isn't treated as some special man with "great upside". Politically speaking, Obama is like the 5-0 college football team that won four I-AA games to open the season and won the conference opener at home against a second-division team (McCain).

Romney's record as a candidate isn't spectacular. But he won Massachusetts and survived a nasty primary where he didn't get a free ride from the media.

When Obama is taken, not as a celebrity but as a man with a record, he struggles.
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That's what happens when you're an empty suit who hasn't accomplished anything.

Liut · Oct 4, 2012

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

exmediahack said:

I think this does show Obama's weakness when confronted. He thrives on friendly crowds, college gyms, softball questions. This is the first real campaign where he isn't treated as some special man with "great upside". Politically speaking, Obama is like the 5-0 college football team that won four I-AA games to open the season and won the conference opener at home against a second-division team (McCain).

Romney's record as a candidate isn't spectacular. But he won Massachusetts and survived a nasty primary where he didn't get a free ride from the media.

When Obama is taken, not as a celebrity but as a man with a record, he struggles.
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Yeah, he did a piss-poor job defeating Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

Or is it your argument it was all massages and blowjobs from them in 2008?

Because either way, you're an idiot.
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Nice.

Mark2010 · Oct 4, 2012

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Maybe Romney can get more done as president, being a Republican.

Seems there was a certain segment of the populus, and congress, that vowed from day one to oppose Obama every step of the way. Rush Limbaugh's famous "I want him to fail" speech, before Obama ever took office, comes to mind. Republicans have fought him every step of the way, no matter what the topic or how sound the proposal. The old schoolyard "since I'm not the boss, I'm not going to play, I'll sit in my corner and sulk" mentality.

Maybe Democrats would be more willing to work with Romney than Republicans have been to work with Obama.

MileHigh · Oct 4, 2012

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OK, finished. Initial reaction: Um ... Very one-sided. Not close.

Off to read the spin.

hondo · Oct 4, 2012

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Mark2010 said:

hondo said:

Mark2010 said:

You know, I made a lot more money last year than I did during the Reagan years.

Never mind that rent, gas, groceries and everything else is a hell of a lot more expensive, too. But, hey, my salary has quadrupled in 25 years.

Everything's relative.
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Could the simple reason be that the last Reagan year was 1988 (24 years ago) and you've been in the work force 24 years longer, have gotten promoted, gotten raises or moved up to better jobs?
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Yeah, that is my point. That you can't simply look at two sets of numbers and draw solid conclusion solely from that. It seems that is what Romney tries sometimes with his numbers.
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I totally agree but most politicians fiddle with numbers to make policies work ... or make it look like they could work.

Armchair_QB · Oct 4, 2012

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Uncle.Ruckus said:

A Romney adviser just admitted Romney's plan won't cover preexisting conditions.
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