Game of Thrones: Spoilers - just like Winter - are coming.

yeah, I think he's dead.

Isn't one of the main characters who went against him missing from the show, though? The one.. can't think of his name.. he was a lord and maybe head of the city watch. Tyrion's champion took over his lordship. He went to the NW and helped stir up trouble against Jon in the book, but not sure he's there in the show.

 

What everyone is still alive and none this happened - it's just a dream and the final book opens with Hodor waking up like Pam Ewing?

 

Actually, it's like St. Elsewhere, and it all ends with Hodor looking at a snow globe of Castle Black.

 

Rick, that armor already exists. Witness Beric Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart.

 

That's not plot armor. That's just them finding themselves in situations where their bodies are resurrected for various reasons.

Jon Snow being resurrected would be pure plot armor. He put himself in a situation where it made perfect sense for him to die and stay dead, but he gets to come back because he's important to where the author wants the story to go.

 

It made perfect sense for Cat to die and stay dead, too. I don't see why it's verboten that other characters be resurrected, particularly in light of the Melisandre theory above.

 

The verboten part is when the reason they aren't staying dead is because the author has set out a plot where he wants to get from A to B and the character has to be alive for that point. It's not the resurrection that bothers me, it's the idea that the character can't truly die (and in this case, since Snow appeared to have died, that focuses on resurrection or not really being dead to begin with).

Plot armor is the fictional phenomenon of certain characters being above the possibility of dying.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor

Harry Potter's not eating an Avada Kadavra in the graveyard at the end of Goblet of Fire, no matter how scary Voldemort is. Tony Soprano's coming out of everything alive until the series finale. Batman isn't taking a bullet to the face from some random criminal 15 minutes into the movie.

What I love about ASOIAF is that the author took a world, set up some dominoes, and seems to be just letting it play out how he thinks it would happen. It doesn't matter if on the TV version you're played by Sean Bean and your face is on all the promotional material, you're head is coming off when you cross a crazy teenage king.

If Jon Snow turns out to have been a Harry Potter/Batman character all along, then I find that disappointing.

(dammit, I'm going to kill two hours being stuck in TVTropes cross-reference purgatory)

 

Tyrion did send the former head of the city guard at Kings Landing to join the Night's Watch in the show, but I don't think we've seen him since.

 

That's what I couldn't remember. Thanks.

I think I'm going to re-watch it all before season four begins

 

Guy asks his dad, who watches the show casually, to name all the characters:

http://imgur.com/a/11bIw

 

Re: Jon Snow

As far as plot armor and Jon Snow, hasn't it been established that warg can warg his way out of his body and into an animal (or another person) before he dies to live on?

 

I fully expect Jon Snow to warg into a dragon before the series is done.